ask the NBA US players(AI, TD, Lebron,Wade,etc) that went if they cared, they will say yes very much.
who cares? this thread is about Manu, not Argentina. manu >>>>>>>> than any other player in Argentina historyI don't see any players off that Argentinian team putting up big numbers in the nba. Manu is the best off that team.
says you, most NBA "coaches"(more experienced than you) disagree. (the NBA doesn't control the coaches' decisions on allstars)Manu not only should not be an all star this year he shouldn't have made it last year. His numbers were not good last year either. It must have been to increase the international interest as to why he made it last year.
Just because somebody is in a high position of authority(George Bush as a good example) doesn't mean that all their decisions are correct or can't be challenged. I've seen many nba gm's and coaches screw up teams with bad trades or poor draft selections that many of the fans knew better.
1 or 2 coaches maybe. But 26 coaches screwing up at a time????
u gotta be kidding
Well, the coaches didn't disagree this season.
The primary difference in the Olympics and the NBA are the defensive rules. It's why a player like Oberto can look like a star in the Olympics and look rather ordinary in the NBA. The rules mask defensive deficiencies and devalue the worth of extraordinary bigman talent like Duncan. Put the Argentine team in the NBA and they'd be lucky to break .500 in a season. This is why citing the Olympics as proof of Manu's s om is suspect.
International s om does not translate to nba s om.
and vice-versa. (eg 2004 USA Olympic team)
Right, and what league are the Spurs in?
I still don't believe that the higher ups in the nba didn't have any input in Manu's selection. I don't believe everything that I'm told. I know there is always way more behind closed door stuff that the general public never hears about. Especially in politics.
I've learned a long time ago life is not fair.
ok then. If it was so unbeleivable to you, then maybe Spurs didn't win the NBA championship then.
The nba is the best league in the world. And that is where all comparisons should stay. Saying or believing that an international team is overall better because they won a short tounament is foolish.
The best players overall play in the nba.
Last edited by rascal; 02-14-2006 at 06:08 PM.
and they got their ass beat in the olympics by Puerto Rico
ok then. If it was so unbeleivable to you, then maybe Spurs didn't win the NBA championship then.
This does not make any sense.
So what. Nobody said the nba players can never be beaten. Thats all it shows. That the nba players can be beaten at times.and they got their ass beat in the olympics by Puerto Rico
The nba players given enough practice time will win far more often because they are better.
dude one thing you need to learn about the olympics is if you lose in one, you were not good enough at that time. period. no ifs, whens, or buts.
live w/it
if he was selected to the all star game by the coaches of the NBA, then there is a strong sentiment that he belongs there. regardless of what your small mind may think, ginobili deserved the all star nod and it was certainly validated by his play in he postseason.
rascal downplaying Manu's achievemnts.
Why am I not surprised?
Sure, now all we need is for the NBA to adopt FIBA rules.
Under FIBA's rules TV rating will go down and some NBA's Supertars will get travellin' everytime they get the ball
1) Manu is not a franchise player not close. By franchise I mean a player who can single handedly keep a team competetive and afloat in the playoffs by simply having solid role players and a consistent supporting cast for 2-3 years.
2) Manu is an excellent complimentary player and all star calibur in that role.
3) Manu isn't an all star this season, but deserved it last season because he was extremely efficient statistically, and got a boost when he exploded for 48 against the best team in the league on the road.
Without that game, the coaches likely don't put him in the all-star game. Other players had better stats and were probably more talented as scorers for bad teams. But when your stats are efficient and your scoring 16ppg 5rpg 4apg with good defense in 28mpg on a team whose leading scorer is barely getting 20ppg, you are going to get credit for that teams success. Remember the Spurs got off to a hot start pre All star game 2005. Ginobili is one of many players in the past who got on by virtue of having a hot start on a great team.
4) Manu was without a doubt an all star calibur player in the playoffs last season. You can argue the stats all you want in the regular season, but in the playoffs he was the teams most efficient and productive offensive player statistically. Yes Duncan was the #1 option, but Manu was barely missing shots, and when he wasn't shooting 7-11 from the field, he was getting to the line 8-9 times a game. Not to mention upping his rebound numbers, and basically all the other stats across the board. His efficiency and PRODUCTIVENESS was absoluttely absurd for a support player. I don' t really remember a second banana who was that efficient and productive in recent history, with the exception of Kobe Bryant (and he wasn't very good in 2004).
5) Manu's play in the olympics showed he can play well against USA talent -- that he can drive, shoot, and compete with them. He wasn't like the Italian players spotting up 7 feet beyond the arc and getting hot. He took them inside, and made shots on the outside. He played solid overall basketball and lead his team to the victory. Several other N BA calibur players could probably do the same thing if they had the same chemistry he had with his fellow Argie mates. But nonetheless it was an impressive showing in 2004 from Manu. It doesn't make him a franchise player. It just shows he has the overall game and leadership abilities to be an all star calibur player who can be a spectacular playmaker in his own right on many occasions. Not like a franchise player, but a good NBA player.
Last edited by Nikos; 02-15-2006 at 02:46 PM.
Why do you even bother reading what those people have to say?
They were always haters, they'll always be. Their speech is always the same. They are a lunatic minority.
"I pity the fool who hates Manu Ginobili!"
Good enough for me, just to add ... 6) Manu has an Intl career before he played in the NBA ... being the only player in Bball's history of getting NBA Champ + Olympics Gold Medal + Euro League Champ ... and... and
This is what Rascal quoted in June of '04, how can you believe anything he writes.
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Does marcus have that much power.
I saw all no's until Marcus Bryant posted, then after he posts the Yes's start up.
I say NO
Manu isn't that good. Lock him up and forget about getting anyone who really is a star.
Duncan, Manu and Parker as the core of the team won't win a championship. I see that core not having enough to even make it to the finals.Manu may never get much better than what we see now. He is good but easily replaceable.
He may never make an all star team or be a consistent go to player who can dominate a game. Lock him up and your left with hoping he develops into a star.
I doubt that happens. Its better to target a proven talent instead of hoping one develops into one.
So No
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