Bowen second dirtiest player in the NBA according to his peers.

[stretchman21]

So what is your problem about other people's opinion that Bowen is NOT a dirty player?
Frankly, I don't really care if he is a dirty player or not. All I care is that he is works hard and helps my favourite team win games and championships.

i never had any problem with others saying hes not a dirty player. i have my opinion, you all have yours. but i agree that he is a hard worker, and helps your team win championships. without him, they would not have been able to win their last two. he is a BIG part of the spurs. he is like what Adrian Griffin is to the Mavs. a hard worker, great defender, great team player, and while they dont score much, they score efficiently, which is most important. Bowen is a of a player. i just think sometimes he has done some dirty stuff.

[ambchang]

sure, everybody does it. but would you not agree that big name players get away with it more? if you say no, you either don't watch basketball, or you are a liar.

they get away with it more because they are on the court more and do more things, thus getting away with it more. But percentage-wise, there is little, if any difference. Perhaps when you assert anything like this, you would like to "prove it" like you would ask others to.
Karl Malone, dirty and a big name, got hit with techs and flagrants throughout his career, I don't see Bowen getting too many of those, despite his reputation is a hard-nose defender. Also, I would never consider Bowen to be a big name player.

i never had any problem with others saying hes not a dirty player. i have my opinion, you all have yours. but i agree that he is a hard worker, and helps your team win championships. without him, they would not have been able to win their last two. he is a BIG part of the spurs. he is like what Adrian Griffin is to the Mavs. a hard worker, great defender, great team player, and while they dont score much, they score efficiently, which is most important. Bowen is a of a player. i just think sometimes he has done some dirty stuff.

So you stated your opinion, and a few people don't agree with you. If you are as understand as you expect other people to be, then I just can't see how you would come back and repeatedly state the same things over and over again, just to make sure you get the last word.
Another point, I still can't see how you could "kinda point ... out" nobody gets away with anything extra, while a few post later state that the big name players get away with more. Perhaps one of us should really go read the posts up like you so often suggest other people do.

[stretchman21]

they get away with it more because they are on the court more and do more things, thus getting away with it more. But percentage-wise, there is little, if any difference. Perhaps when you assert anything like this, you would like to "prove it" like you would ask others to.
Karl Malone, dirty and a big name, got hit with techs and flagrants throughout his career, I don't see Bowen getting too many of those, despite his reputation is a hard-nose defender. Also, I would never consider Bowen to be a big name player.

So you stated your opinion, and a few people don't agree with you. If you are as understand as you expect other people to be, then I just can't see how you would come back and repeatedly state the same things over and over again, just to make sure you get the last word.
Another point, I still can't see how you could "kinda point ... out" nobody gets away with anything extra, while a few post later state that the big name players get away with more. Perhaps one of us should really go read the posts up like you so often suggest other people do.

you know what, several times i tried to end this pointless arguement, and now i am. im not going to reply to this any more, since you seem more focused on pointless crap, than talking basketball. i expressed my point of view, i respect others viewpoints, and i will leave it at that. good day to you, sir.

[rascal]

Bowen is a dirty player. He likes to undercut players while they are coming down from their shots by extending his legs under the shooter. He also will bump up close and extend his legs out unneccesarily and sometimes those legs make contact.

Defense is his game since he is so limited offensively and that includes dirty moves to disrupt his opponent.

Its effective because he often gets away with it. But do not deny that he is a dirty player because he plays for the spurs.

[ambchang]

you know what, several times i tried to end this pointless arguement, and now i am. im not going to reply to this any more, since you seem more focused on pointless crap, than talking basketball. i expressed my point of view, i respect others viewpoints, and i will leave it at that. good day to you, sir.

How were you trying to end the arguments? By saying people appear dumb? By calling people stupid? Accusing others of not ever playing that game or being a liar? Calling what I stated as pointless crap? Fact is, you were jumping back and forth between your arguments, and I am confused as to what your exact point was.
And how was talking about every player in the NBA gets away with stuff NOT talking about basketball? What was I talking about then? Baseball? How was I talking about how Bowen's alleged dirty play is none of my concern as long as he helps the Spurs win? What sport do you think he plays? Curling?

[stretchman21]

Bowen is a dirty player. He likes to undercut players while they are coming down from their shots by extending his legs under the shooter. He also will bump up close and extend his legs out unneccesarily and sometimes those legs make contact.

Defense is his game since he is so limited offensively and that includes dirty moves to disrupt his opponent.

Its effective because he often gets away with it. But do not deny that he is a dirty player because he plays for the spurs.

at least someone here is being somewhat resonable, and knows that he does do dirty things at times. im not going to go on and on about him being dirty, because being dirty is all part of being an aggressive defender.

[ShoogarBear]

at least someone here is being somewhat resonable.

Ahahahahahaha.

Shoulda looked up the rest of rascal's posts before you welcomed his support.

[stretchman21]

Ahahahahahaha.

Shoulda looked up the rest of rascal's posts before you welcomed his support.

im not welcoming any support. i just said that IMO, he made a non-biased, non-homer comment.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

That's just like the internets.

When it's YOUR opinion, it's not-biased and non-homer.

[implacable44]

you know what, several times i tried to end this pointless arguement, and now i am. im not going to reply to this any more, since you seem more focused on pointless crap, than talking basketball. i expressed my point of view, i respect others viewpoints, and i will leave it at that. good day to you, sir.

loser

[Solid D]

I remember when Dirk Nowitzki stepped into Manu Ginobili's landing area during the WCs in Indy in 2002. The replay clearly showed an unusualness to his foot placement as he closed out to Manu. Manu severely sprained his ankle on Dirk's foot and it probably cost Argentina the championship, plus recovery time with the Spurs in '02.

He also did it against the T-Wolves' Kevin Garnett the next NBA season.

Is Dirk a dirty player?

[stretchman21]

I remember when Dirk Nowitzki stepped into Manu Ginobili's landing area during the WCs in Indy in 2002. The replay clearly showed an unusualness to his foot placement as he closed out to Manu. Manu severely sprained his ankle on Dirk's foot and it probably cost Argentina the championship, plus recovery time with the Spurs in '02.

He also did it against the T-Wolves' Kevin Garnett the next NBA season.

Is Dirk a dirty player?

well, i happen to recall Manu busting Dirk's ankle in the WCF in the 02-03 year. i cant remember if it was because he pushed him after a rebound, or if he did the same think Dirk supposedly did to him.

Is Manu a dirty player?

its one thing if it happens ONCE. but if you do it on a consistent basis, then that can be considered dirty by some people. however, i dont recall the Garnett thing at all. especially since he hasnt missed a game since 2001.

[stretchman21]

That's just like the internets.

When it's YOUR opinion, it's not-biased and non-homer.

in this case, yes. when he is rated by NBA players as the second dirtiest player in the NBA, and fans of just about any team EXCEPT the Spurs consider him a dirty player, id say that its agreed upon by the general public that he is a dirty player.

[FromWayDowntown]

well, i happen to recall Manu busting Dirk's ankle in the WCF in the 02-03 year. i cant remember if it was because he pushed him after a rebound, or if he did the same think Dirk supposedly did to him.

Is Manu a dirty player?

That's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Dirk was rebounding the ball and Manu challenged the rebound. Dirk came down funny and injured his knee, but all Manu did was contest a rebound. There was little or no contact and no malicious intent. Are we down to contending that a player who contests a rebound is dirty because the guy who rebounds the ball happens to land in manner that causes injury?

[leemajors]

when you're reaching like that anything makes sense fwd.

[stretchman21]

That's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Dirk was rebounding the ball and Manu challenged the rebound. Dirk came down funny and injured his knee, but all Manu did was contest a rebound. There was little or no contact and no malicious intent. Are we down to contending that a player who contests a rebound is dirty because the guy who rebounds the ball happens to land in manner that causes injury?

well, Dirk had no malicious intent when hurting Manu, so tell your boy who started this "ridiculous thing" to shut the up.

[FromWayDowntown]

well, Dirk had no malicious intent when hurting Manu, so tell your boy who started this "ridiculous thing" to shut the up.

Solid's point was that there was something unusual about the way Dirk played those shots. My point is that there was nothing unusual about the way Manu played that rebound.

Until you can refute either Solid's take or mine, yours is the ridiculous post.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

If I were Bruce I wouldn't be satisfied with being No. 2. Aim to be number 1 Bruce!!

[Kori Ellis]

Seeing as Fortson doesn't get any playing time at all in Seattle, he'll be number 1 soon.

[Mrs.Szczerbiak]

just love when he kicks players in the face like he did with that Wally hahahaha

Awwwww!!! I like Wally!

[stretchman21]

Solid's point was that there was something unusual about the way Dirk played those shots. My point is that there was nothing unusual about the way Manu played that rebound.

Until you can refute either Solid's take or mine, yours is the ridiculous post.

ok. so if dirk plays tight defense, hes dirty. if Bowen plays tight defense, a large majority of you guys think hes perfectly clean, even though he has had a number of instances where he busted people ankles, while Dirk has had one (if that World Championship stuff really did happen...). make up your mind.

next...

[FromWayDowntown]

ok. so if dirk plays tight defense, hes dirty. if Bowen plays tight defense, a large majority of you guys think hes perfectly clean, even though he has had a number of instances where he busted people ankles, while Dirk has had one (if that World Championship stuff really did happen...). make up your mind.

next...

That's not at all what I said, though I can't speak for others.

What I said is that trying to say that Manu is dirty based on the exchange with Dirk is ridiculous. I never said I agreed with the sentiment that Dirk's foot placement made him dirty -- to do so would make me duplicitous as to Bowen, since similar things have happened with Bruce. So, from that standpoint, I would also have to agree that trying to paint Manu as dirty based on something that happened with Bruce would be equally ridiculous. Fortunately for me, though, I never tried to make that sort of a claim. You did.

I think what Solid was saying was that if it's dirty for Bruce to have his feet end up in a shooter's landing area, it's equally dirty for Dirk to do so. Now, if you're contending that it wasn't dirty for Dirk to do that, then I think you'd have to admit that it's hypocritical for you to base an assessment of Bowen on that sort of occurrence. If you have other reasons to think so badly of an admirable guy like Bruce Bowen, so be it. I find those arguments to be absurd, but as you say, it's your opinion. Just be sure that you stay consistent -- that's all we ask.

[stretchman21]

That's not at all what I said, though I can't speak for others.

What I said is that trying to say that Manu is dirty based on the exchange with Dirk is ridiculous. I never said I agreed with the sentiment that Dirk's foot placement made him dirty -- to do so would make me duplicitous as to Bowen, since similar things have happened with Bruce. So, from that standpoint, I would also have to agree that trying to paint Manu as dirty based on something that happened with Bruce would be equally ridiculous. Fortunately for me, though, I never tried to make that sort of a claim. You did.

I think what Solid was saying was that if it's dirty for Bruce to have his feet end up in a shooter's landing area, it's equally dirty for Dirk to do so. Now, if you're contending that it wasn't dirty for Dirk to do that, then I think you'd have to admit that it's hypocritical for you to base an assessment of Bowen on that sort of occurrence. If you have other reasons to think so badly of an admirable guy like Bruce Bowen, so be it. I find those arguments to be absurd, but as you say, it's your opinion. Just be sure that you stay consistent -- that's all we ask.

only one problem... Dirk SUPPOSEDLY did it ONE TIME. Bowen has busted more than one players ankle, and several have complained about his foot placements. i dont hear anyone saying anything about Dirk placing his foot in a bad place. that was ONE time, and it was unfortunate. if it was a one time thing with bowen, and no one really ever complained about it, then i would say the same. but its not.

and if you had READ MY POSTS, you would have seen, i have praised Bowen for being a classy person on and off the court. while i think he is at times dirty when playing, he is a classy individual, and that is very admirable.

[SequSpur]

Hey stretch..

your opinion doesn't mean in the world of opinions.

Thought I would give you a heads up.

[stretchman21]

Hey stretch..

your opinion doesn't mean in the world of opinions.

Thought I would give you a heads up.

Hey seguspur...

talking tough doesnt mean when its on the internet.

Thought I would give you a heads up.