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^^Holy stupid logic there.
You disarm Hezbollah and Hamas, you stop violence from those groups.
You disarm israel, you stop israel from existing.
Hezbollah and Hamas are terrorist organisations that need to be disarmed and or disabled. But so is the government of Israel. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Most Palestinian terrorist attacks happen in the populated cities, not Israel's illegal settlments. There are your peacefully living Israeli's in Palestine.So, scott. How many Israelis live peacefully in Palestine?
Most Palestinians and Israeli citizens are peaceful people and happily live and work with one another. They are the victims of irrational governments.Then again, you're right about the obverse. Palestinians do live peacefully in Israel. They even serve on the Knesset.
^^Holy stupid logic there.
You disarm Hezbollah and Hamas, you stop violence from those groups.
You disarm israel, you stop israel from existing.
You don't disarm Israel, and their own form of Manifest Destiny begins to spiral out of control. That probably suits your personal desires - but I believe in the right of the people in the region to... you know... live.
I would have given you credit for not being a " " in return.
Sorry if i offended you. I actually respect you.
But your logic in this thread is idiotic.
If you disarm israel, you contribute to it's extinction.
and by your same logic, FDR was a terrorist, as well as Truman, and the allies for not waging war on open battlefeilds with 0 poplulations.
I guess if you were a general you'd demand your enemy fight out in the open, or else you'd would sit there while their bullets pluck your men since you have such high priniciples.
So this is about brown vs white to you i guess, seeing how israel just wants to live in peace, and if not attacked would go on with their lives.
I just want you to understand that it's the Palestinian people who want this war. They are the agressors.
And who the said i was a zionist?
I dont seem to be too far off so far. Just waiting for Iran to get directly involved. Yet, its still bull .
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English Al JazeeraIran has denied involvement and their embassy in Beirut has released a statement saying: "These accusations by Israeli officials are baseless and cons ute an attempt to escape reality and cover up the impotence of this regime in the face of resistance and the Lebanese people."
Jebus Crikes! Some of you people are totally re ed.
I want to see some solutions from all you witty Chamberlains out there.
C'mon, enlighten me.
Let me give you an example;
You have palestinian terrorist blowing up school children in Israel, Your the Israeli Prime Minister, what do you do to retaliate?
a) Call out all the terrarist and tell them to meet you after school next to the monkey bars so that there will be no civillian casualties.
b) Fire smart bombs at Gaza and program them to seek only terrorist.(Rofl)
c) Don't retaliate, take the morale high ground like Manny and follow his advice and admit you're a terrorist. Oh yeah. And play with your s like manny.
d) take the fight to the terrorist on their own turf.
e) wait for escalation, then make phone calls to relevant parties, strike deal, execute shadow plan.
But the question was what "would you do if you were the Israeli Prime Minister?"
Nice non-answer. Back to the question; if Hamas and Hezbollah initiate their rocket attacks from neighborhoods in Gaza and Southern Lebanon, where should Israel direct their response?
If the terrorists are going to hide among innocents, should Israel just let them be? Further, when's the last time there was a military strategic target in a Tel Aviv market or club? And, I'm sure there are command and control assets on the commuter buses of Israel.
Plus, given the current situation, if Israel were a terrorist organization why haven't they just annihilated whole populations? Surely you believe they have the capability -- and, currently, you claim they are killing indiscriminately in Lebanon and Gaza. Seems to me, if that were the case, Palestinian and Lebanese deaths would be in the thousands, not just over a hundred.
Please, the settlements are one of the (illegitimate) reason why the terrorists claim they strike. But, seriously, how long would an Israeli last in Gaza? Could they serve on the Palestinian Authority?
I agree to an extent. The peaceful coexistence only occurs on one side of the border. The side of the rational government.
Seriously, there must be something in your life -- ancestral, familial, or something -- that makes you so irrational on this subject. You sound like Manny.
The United States of America was attacked by the nation of Japan, who was in with the Axis Power. The nation of Israel was not attacked by the nation of Lebanon. The two are not parallel.
The people of Israel very much want to "live in peace" and it is an absolute travesty that they are constantly being put in harms way by the terrorist organizations Hamas and Hezbollah and then their own government.
Hezbollah is a Syrian terrorist organization. Hezbollah is not the Palestinian people. And it goes just beyond saying "the Arabs are the agressors" - there is a long history between these two countries and both are at fault for the current situation. Pointing at this entire situation and saying "it's all Hezbollah's fault because they kidnapped 2 Israeli soldiers" is a simplistic beyond the border of stupid view of things.
Who called you a Zionist? Are you a member of the Israeli government?
I wouldn't lay waste to a bunch of innocent citizens in Beirut, for starters, since Beirut is pretty far away from the conflict zone where the rocket attacks were initiated. It may be collateral damage to you - but they are human lives to me. Innocents die in war, and sometimes war is justified. Every single Israeli or Lebanese citizen who has been killed over the last 5 days, or 5 decades for that matter, has died because of the irrationality of their own governments.
My complaint is not Israel's objective to nuetralize the terrorist organization Hezbollah, it is the manner in which they are doing so.
If a Canadian militia faction fired rockets into Mexico from somewhere along the Texas-Mexico border, would Mexico be justified in bombing San Antonio? (Hint: the answer starts with "no")
There seems to be an aweful disporportionate number of Lebanese innocents being killed relative to Hezbollah members. Maybe Israel should kill every single person in Lebanon, because approximately (reported) 100 Hezbollah members are in Lebanon.If the terrorists are going to hide among innocents, should Israel just let them be?
Funny how you criticized someone for their simple "black and white" perspective on things the other day, because here it is again. There is not a binary set of decisions here that read "let them be" or "bomb Beirut".
And what, exactly, does that have to do with the current topic? The terrorists who attack these places crowded with innocents are evil and need to be dealt with, there is no question about it. For someone who likes the phrase "don't be stuck on stupid" so much, you sure do fill that bill when it comes to defending your weak and transparent positions on such topics.Further, when's the last time there was a military strategic target in a Tel Aviv market or club? And, I'm sure there are command and control assets on the commuter buses of Israel.
The goal of terrorism is not to rack up your body count - it is to put your adversaries in a constant state of terror. Israeli rockets sure do mistakenly hit the "wrong" target a lot - sounds like indiscriminant killing to me. Do you think Palestinians don't live in fear of Israeli tanks marching in and "mistakingly" killing them to?Plus, given the current situation, if Israel were a terrorist organization why haven't they just annihilated whole populations? Surely you believe they have the capability -- and, currently, you claim they are killing indiscriminately in Lebanon and Gaza. Seems to me, if that were the case, Palestinian and Lebanese deaths would be in the thousands, not just over a hundred.
Whether or not the terrorists claim them as a reason for striking is irrelevant. The fact that there truely exists a Zionist element in Israel. How'd you like it if Mexico came in and bulldozed your home so a couple of wealthy Mexicans could come retake the land that was formely theirs?Please, the settlements are one of the (illegitimate) reason why the terrorists claim they strike. But, seriously, how long would an Israeli last in Gaza? Could they serve on the Palestinian Authority?
Rational government? Never heard of one. You claim Israel is a rational government, but you also claim George W. Bush is a good president, so your credibility on such subjects is in question.I agree to an extent. The peaceful coexistence only occurs on one side of the border. The side of the rational government.
Of course there must be, because anyone who doesn't share your opinion obviously must have some sort of mental defect. You still sound like you, and that isn't a compliment.Seriously, there must be something in your life -- ancestral, familial, or something -- that makes you so irrational on this subject. You sound like Manny.
If Washington was supplying (or allowing Canada to supply) the Canadians with the rockets through an airport in San Antonio, I think I'd be more than justified in bombing San Antonio. I'd also bomb all the roads between San Antonio and Washington and the train stations, bridges, communications facilities, etc...
First, where do you get your figures? Just how many Hezbollah have been killed? I believe the 100 figure relates to the number of Iranian Republican Guard members that are supposedly in Lebanon. You don't honestly believe there are only 100 Hezbollah there, do you?
And, second, considering the amount of ordinance dropped on Lebanon, I'd say 150 killed is small, however tragic. Third, aren't there still rockets flying out of Southern Lebanon into Israel? Finally, why aren't the innocent Lebanese fleeing to safer quarters? After all, most of Northern Israel civilians (with the exception of the major cities) has gone underground or left the area.
That would explain why there are more Lebanese than Israelis affected. They're apparently smart enough to get out of the way. And, maybe the innocent women, men, and children killed were associated with someone not so innocent?
Seems to me Israel is dealing with them...since no one else will. , the Lebanese and Palestinians vote them into office.
That's the Palestinian claim. Israel disagrees. Tell me this, scott. Considering how Palestinians are wont to launch strikes from civilian neighborhoods, I'm more inclined to believe Israel was hitting a legitimate military target.
How many times have Palestinians held their "military" accountable for mistreating Israeli soldiers or civilians? Obversely, there are Israeli soldiers sitting in Israeli prisons for murdering and abusing Palestinians.
And, as far as Palestinians living in fear? What about summary executions for cooperating with Israel and why the did they elect terrorists to represent them? Talk about stuck on stupid.
Weren't these activities ceased in Gaza and the West Bank? Haven't the settlers been removed -- by force -- from most of these disputed areas by the Israeli government? So, the Palestinians get what they want and still they fire rockets and kill civilians and kidnap soldiers?
More rational than the Palestinian Authority and whoever's in charge of the Hezbollah. And, yes, President Bush is a good President.
You're defending the terrorists more than much of the Arab nations at this point. How rational is that?
Hezbollah committed an act of war. Israel is responding -- after giving them a chance to return the kidnapped soldiers. I've seen nothing that indicates they are indiscriminately killing Lebanese. There is a good collection of Lebanese and Israeli blogs here. There are some that agree with you but, there are some that agree with me. Many of the Lebanese, probably most, blame Hezbollah -- even those who are clearly anti-Israel (who also believe Israel has overreacted). Even some Lebanese hope Israel will rid them of Hezbollah so that their impotent government might, with UN help, take back their country.
Browse the blogs for awhile. You'll see there are some Lebanese that don't exactly see it your way. I find that encouraging.
http://www.bigpharaoh.com/2006/07/15...e-pigs-flying/
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Speaking of cause and effect. I believe the changing Arab sentiment is directly related to our actions in Iraq.
Deadly Hezbollah attack on Haifa
Rockets fired by Hezbollah militants in Lebanon have killed at least eight people and wounded many others in the coastal Israeli city of Haifa.
Meanwhile, Israeli jets have hit targets in the south of the Lebanese capital Beirut, including Hezbollah's al-Manar TV and a power station.
The fifth day of violence came as the UN Security Council failed to agree on a statement calling for a ceasefire.
The Israeli air raids began after Hezbollah seized two Israeli soldiers.
It is the second time Haifa has been hit by Hezbollah rockets in recent days and the worst attack on Israel since hostilities with Lebanon broke out.
In a first salvo at least 13 rockets were reported to have landed in the city, including one which hit a train station.
According to Israel Radio a second wave of four rockets then hit, one landing in city street. People driving on the roads in Haifa reportedly abandoned their cars as they fled from the onslaught.
The BBC's Bethany Bell in Jerusalem says that until now it had been thought that towns like Haifa, which is some 30km (19 miles) south of the Lebanese border and, Tiberias, on the Sea of Galilee, which was attacked on Saturday, had been out of range of Hezbollah's rockets.
The militant group has claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it was retaliation for the death of at least 80 Lebanese civilians and destruction of the country's infrastructure during the Israeli air raids.
The BBC's Ian Pannell in Beirut says that there have already been a number of Israeli air strikes against Lebanese targets on Sunday.
In the southern suburbs of Beirut, Hezbollah's al-Manar TV was attacked along with a major power station.
Our correspondent says that the fire engines sent to put out the burning power station ran out of water and there was an appeal on Lebanese TV for local people to go and assist.
There was also a raid in the eastern city of Baalbek, where local Hezbollah leaders were believed to have gathered.
Foreign nationals have been leaving Lebanon to escape the violence. Our correspondent says that at first they were joined by a small number of locals who opted to stay with relatives in areas that were not being targeted or cross the border into Syria.
As the violence has escalated the number of locals attempting to flee has grown, but with the Israelis targeting the border areas and nearby roads, this has become increasingly difficult.
On Saturday, Lebanon's Prime Minister Fouad Siniora made an emotional appeal for a UN-supervised ceasefire to end the Israeli raids.
Lebanese diplomats blamed the US for blocking the ceasefire move.
The current president of the UN Security Council, French ambassador Jean-Marc de La Sabliere, said there would be "no agreement tonight" on a truce statement following a closed-door session late on Saturday.
Lebanese representative Nouhad Mahmoud said he was "very disappointed" and that this would "send a very wrong signal not only to the Lebanese people, but to Arab people".
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...st/5184428.stm
Well this is going to be one lopsided conflict. Modern air and ground troops against 1940-1950s soviet technology. This won't take long to win the initial fight.
People need to realize that there will be war. You cannot solve every issue diplomatically. Look at the initial abduction. What do you do? You can do nothing and essentially say that it's ok, you can get some worthless UN resolutions, or you can attack.Earlier, Israel's chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, told Israel's Channel 10, "If the soldiers are not returned, we will turn Lebanon's clock back 20 years."
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Is the size of the attack justified? That's debatable. Isreal is clearly fed up and prepared to wipe the radical terrorist/political organizations off the face of the earth in response.
You can't just back down all the time. There is no such thing as a world with no war.
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Hezbollah's headquarters were in South Beirut, until they were destroyed by an Israeli air strike.
Hezbollah has an estimated 1,000 active members of it's military wing in Lebanon, not 100. There's no way to know how many Hezbollah members have been killed yet, I doubt Lebanese hospitals are going to put out press releases a couple of hours after air strikes breaking down the organizational affiliation of all the victims. Besides, most of the numbers of casualties in Lebanon are coming from Al-Manar, Hezbollah's television network.There seems to be an aweful disporportionate number of Lebanese innocents being killed relative to Hezbollah members. Maybe Israel should kill every single person in Lebanon, because approximately (reported) 100 Hezbollah members are in Lebanon.
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Hezbollah's numbers are unknown, likely in the thousands. If history is any indication, expect up to and over 50% of the casualties inflicted to be on civilian targets, on both sides.Casualties
Israeli: Ten Israeli soldiers were killed, two abducted and five more wounded. 14 civilians have been killed, Nine in the Haifa region on 16 July, and another 500 civilians were injured, 56 seriously. The INS Hanit was fired upon and heavily damaged. The Israeli newspaper Jerusalem Post reports three IDF Sailors missing, one confirmed dead.
Lebanese: Three Hezbollah members have been killed as well as three soldiers in the Lebanese army. So far over 100 Lebanese civilians have been killed and another 203 have been wounded as of July 14.
WIKIPEDIA - Reports from Israeli/Lebanese gov't
Hizbollah/Hamas makes a violent act (kills Isaeli soldiers on Isreali territory, takes military prisoners as hostages), then Isreal responds with diplomacy and talking. The Israelis know that is simply not an option.
Isreal knows that diplomacy will be seen by Hizbollah/Hamas as weakness that will encourge Hizbollah/Hamas.
Isreal knows the only way to counter Hizbollah/Hamas violence is with more violence, overhwelming violence, death, and destruction, the only actions that Hizbollah/Hamas understands.
The Lebanese PM admitted recently that his governement is not responsible for what Hizbollah does, which in effect admits that Hisbollah is running its own state in south Lebanon, just as violent minority Hamas is controlling "democratic" Gaza.
I expect Isreal to strike infrastructure in Syria next to the Lebanese border or wherever Syrian infrastructure could help move men and materiel into Lebanon, which would bring Syria and perhaps Iran into the war, instead of their well-known but unofficial support for Hizbollah.
There is absolutely no reason for any optimism in this situation, even BEFORE 9 Israelis were killed in Haifa by Hizbollah rockets.
btw, this Israel/Hizbollah/Hamas war is just another nail in the coffin of the Repub fiasco in Iraq. With Shiite Syria and Shiite Iran soon openly involved in Lebanon, Shiites in Iraq will be emboldened against Iraqi Sunnis in the on-going Iraq civil war.
You can be damn sure the dubya/ head/Repugs couldn't have dreamed up a better way to increase oil co wind-fall profits than a Israeli/Lebanese war in parallel with the Repug disaster in Iraq. Sell your 10 MPG vehicules, and buy oilco stocks.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/16/we...gewanted=print
Israeli intelligence officials say they have evidence that the Hezbollah attack was partly ordered by Iran and its ally Syria to take attention away from international pressure on Iran over its nuclear program. If so, it would surprise no one to see Israel flex its muscles in their direction. But so far the contrary has been true. Israel has insisted that it holds the Lebanese government, rather than Iran and Syria, responsible for Hezbollah.
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Uri Dromi, a former government spokesman who is now at the Israel Democracy Ins ute, said lessons were indeed learned, but he added that what is happening in Lebanon cannot be separated from what is happening in Iraq — the “regional superstory,” in his words. He said that Hassan Nasrallah, head of Hezbollah, a Shiite movement — like the dominant force in Iraq today — is trying to impress Arabs everywhere by working with the Palestinians against Israel.
The conflict already has had some effect in Iraq. On Friday, the firebrand Shiite cleric Moktada al-Sadr said in Baghdad that Iraqis would not “sit by with folded hands” while Israel strikes at Lebanon, signaling a possible increase in attacks from his militia on Americans in Iraq.
Mr. Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader, said Friday that Israel’s leaders were playing with fire. “For the people of the Zionist en y in this hour, I tell them,” he said in a statement, “you will find out how much your new leadership and new government are stupid and do not know how to evaluate the issues and have no experience at this level.”
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Another aspect of the Lebanon mess is that the democratically elected Lebanese government, supposedly a huge victory for the US's no-WMD-so-let's-push-democracy policy, is Sunni led while the south Lebanon is Syrian/Iranian Shiite Hizbollah. The Sunni Lebanese govt has been, and is, intimidated into inaction by Shiite Hizbollah.
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The Lebanese government is in shambles, partly because they are still recovering from years of strife in that region. The Lebanese PM is highly anti-Syrian, and by proxy very anti-Hezbollah. But he admittedly no control over southern Lebanon. That is a problem. You hold the opinion that laying waste to an entire nation because of its problemic elements is an okay response to the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers. I find that response disporportionate and rather appauling. But at least now I know where you stand on the bombing of San Antonio, though.
100 was supposed to be 1000 - pardon the typo. We don't know how many Hezbollah have been killed, but we have an approximation of how many Lebanese civilians have been killed - which outnumbers the number of Israeli civilians killed.First, where do you get your figures? Just how many Hezbollah have been killed? I believe the 100 figure relates to the number of Iranian Republican Guard members that are supposedly in Lebanon. You don't honestly believe there are only 100 Hezbollah there, do you?
Yes, there are rockets flying out of Southern Lebanon into Israel. Maybe Israel should focus their attacks there, instead of downtown Beirut.And, second, considering the amount of ordinance dropped on Lebanon, I'd say 150 killed is small, however tragic. Third, aren't there still rockets flying out of Southern Lebanon into Israel? Finally, why aren't the innocent Lebanese fleeing to safer quarters? After all, most of Northern Israel civilians (with the exception of the major cities) has gone underground or left the area.
Why aren't Lebanese fleeing? A lot of them have. A lot of them are like the people who got stuck in New Orleans after Katrina - no way to leave (and there weren't a bunch of busses sitting around to evacute the Lebanese either). And then at least 15 of them were killed by Israeli rocket fire for trying to leave.
It is awefully easy for you to write of the death of other people as "being associatied with someone not so innocent" especially considering you have no evidence to support such a claim. But it fits nicely with your "Israel did it, so it must be right" at ude.That would explain why there are more Lebanese than Israelis affected. They're apparently smart enough to get out of the way. And, maybe the innocent women, men, and children killed were associated with someone not so innocent?
We are talking about the Lebanese people, not terrorist organizations in the region. Those terrorist organizations need to be dealt with, but not in the cavalier fashion Israel seems to enjoy employing.Seems to me Israel is dealing with them...since no one else will. , the Lebanese and Palestinians vote them into office.
Of course you are inclined to believe that Israel can do no wrong. Many of Israel's military actions are justified - I'm not here to discuss those. I'm discussing Israel's attack on the country of Lebanon (which has repeatedly requested a cease fire to no avail).That's the Palestinian claim. Israel disagrees. Tell me this, scott. Considering how Palestinians are wont to launch strikes from civilian neighborhoods, I'm more inclined to believe Israel was hitting a legitimate military target.
The Palestinian government is a corrupt terrorist organization. What's your point? There are also prisoners of other governments (terrorist organizations) sitting in Israeli prison. I wouldn't condone their actions should they chose to attack Israel for those reasons either.How many times have Palestinians held their "military" accountable for mistreating Israeli soldiers or civilians? Obversely, there are Israeli soldiers sitting in Israeli prisons for murdering and abusing Palestinians.
Yes, Palestinians are terrorized by their own "government" as well - I've never denied this. Talk about stuck on stupid, yes you are - you still fail to see beyond the Yonivore black and white world. This is not a world of binary mutually exclusive decision sets. Put your idiocy aside for a second and realize that this issue is more complex than you like to think it is.And, as far as Palestinians living in fear? What about summary executions for cooperating with Israel and why the did they elect terrorists to represent them? Talk about stuck on stupid.
Again, so you can get it this time, the Palestinian government is a terrorist organization. They are not rational. They do not want peace, they want to rule what is now the State of Israel.Weren't these activities ceased in Gaza and the West Bank? Haven't the settlers been removed -- by force -- from most of these disputed areas by the Israeli government? So, the Palestinians get what they want and still they fire rockets and kill civilians and kidnap soldiers?
The fact that Israel is forced to deal with such evil elements does not give them carte blance approval to do whatever they want.
"More rational" is not the same thing as rational. I agree Israel is more rational. That doesn't make them rational.More rational than the Palestinian Authority and whoever's in charge of the Hezbollah. And, yes, President Bush is a good President.
Wow, you managed to stop short of telling me I hate America. You must not have read your Hannity Talking Points email this morning.You're defending the terrorists more than much of the Arab nations at this point. How rational is that?
I'm not defending terrorists, I'm defending the right of the nation of Lebanon to not come under attack. Get a grip.
Since you obviously fail to understand what my position is, I don't see how you can see that any of these blogs agree with me.Hezbollah committed an act of war. Israel is responding -- after giving them a chance to return the kidnapped soldiers. I've seen nothing that indicates they are indiscriminately killing Lebanese. There is a good collection of Lebanese and Israeli blogs here. There are some that agree with you but, there are some that agree with me. Many of the Lebanese, probably most, blame Hezbollah -- even those who are clearly anti-Israel (who also believe Israel has overreacted). Even some Lebanese hope Israel will rid them of Hezbollah so that their impotent government might, with UN help, take back their country.
Browse the blogs for awhile. You'll see there are some Lebanese that don't exactly see it your way. I find that encouraging.
Hezbollah *is* responsible for the current violence. Israel *is* overreacting. Lebanon *needs* to be rid of Hezbollah influence. Israel *is* using the current situation as an excuse to carry out further reaching goals. You see, all these things are capable of being true simultaneously.
I do understand your positions, I just disagree. And, thanks (sincere) for making the four points of your argument below.
Agreed, if you throw in Hamas.
Disagree, for all the reasons I've stated.
Agreed and, further, they seem incapable of doing so quickly enough to stop them from terrorizing Israel. I believe your characterizing Israel's response of "overreacting" fails to recognize that 1) Hamas has continually terrorized Israel, from Gaza, without ceasing and 2) Hezbollah has been preparing for this for a long time by storing weapons and making plans in South Lebanon.
Absolutely. But, I don't believe it is to either destroy or occupy Lebanon but, rather, to rid the nation of Hezbollah so the Lebanese can try and form a government that will live in peace next to Israel. And, this is the point over which there is some agreement in the Arab world and, yes, even among some Lebanese. And, that is a spectacular change from the standard pro forma condemnations that normally come from all quarters of the Arab world.
Maybe, just maybe, everyone (with the exception of Syria and Iran) are fed up with organizations such as Hezbollah and Hamas continuing to pull the scab off the Israeli/Middle East conflict.
They're also capable of being true but not for the reasons you believe. And, some are even capable of being untrue -- in spite of the truthfulness of the others.
From where do the civilian casualties come? Here's one possible answer:
This photo, which I found on some Free Republic post, is allegedly of Hamas fighters, well-armored with human shields:
See all those kids around the Hamas fighters? If any of them were hurt or killed by Israeli counterfire, their blood is on the hands of Hamas, not Israel. If you fight without uniforms and use civilians as shielding or camouflage, you are responsible for their deaths, not the uniformed soldiers on the other side who shoot back. Hezbollah is using all of Lebanon as its shield. Do not become confused on this point, for it is essential to understanding the morality, or lack thereof, in this ugly war.
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