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    Damn, why are Spurfans and Mavfans all acting like we got swept and lost by 50 each game?
    I don't understand how anyone thinks the Spurs could have done worse with Rasho and Nazr in the game. The Spurs were victimized in the paint, committed a ton of fouls, couldn't get an open three pointer off and still managed to lose in overtime of game 7. All I'm saying is a minute or two of having two shot blockers in the game would have probably tipped the scales.

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    The only thing that the Spurs can do to get out of this predictament with the center trying to play Howard is this

    POST UP THE MAVS SMALL GUARDS

    Parker on Harris and Manu on Terry

    They have to punish the Mavs guards to the point where they take one of them out as a defensive subs ution. I know that it is not in Parker's or Manu's game to do this, but it is the only way.

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    . Manu keeping his hands to himself one play would've probably tipped the scales.

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    As long as he doesn't penetrate the Spurs could get away with a big on him. In 05 against the Suns Duncan was actually matching up with Richardson for much of the game and he had range too.
    If the Spurs put Duncan out on an island to be the lone shot blocker Buckner would be stupid not to penetrate.

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    . Manu keeping his hands to himself one play would've probably tipped the scales.
    Right. So that extra rebound or shot block might have come in handy by then.

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    Buckner can shoot from the outside.


    You are certainly living up to your name with that statement.

    Buckner is an overrated, media-hyped, bowen-wanna-be. He is a decent shooter at best.

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    Right. So that extra rebound or shot block might have come in handy by then.
    What? We were in a position to win with 23 seconds left and blew it. End of story.

    I have never seen a group of fans so snakebit by a loss. We've been through much worse.

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    You are certainly living up to your name with that statement.

    Buckner is an overrated, media-hyped, bowen-wanna-be. He is a decent shooter at best.
    Okay, Devin Harris is a way better outside shooter than Buckner is. You win. Thanks for showing me the light.

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    And they don't have to. The Spurs defensive philosophy is to funnel dribblers to the shot blockers. It's always been that way.
    If howard is standing outside the tree point line ... where does that leave the Spurs center? If he comes out, Howard blows by him ... if he doesn't its an open look.

    This is why the Spurs went small .... Pop knew that Howard was too much for Nazr and Rasho and that the Mavs are not afread to let him shoot the open look.

    If you think that leaving the third best scorer on the Mavs is a good plan ..... well, its not ... you have to cover him ... somehow.

    What thety did was try to cover him with Finley and Barry and at times Bowen when Duncan switched to Dirk.

    Its a problem that cannot be solved with a center on the floor (unless he has freakist athletisim ... Amare comes to mind)

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    What? We were in a position to win with 23 seconds left and blew it. End of story.

    I have never seen a group of fans so snakebit by a loss. We've been through much worse.
    It's not a loss. It's four losses. It's called a series. It never should have come down to blaming Manu for a stupid foul. I've never seen anything worse as a Spurs fan but I've only been a fan since 1990. Rodman quitting wasn't worse. The entire team quitting wasn't worse.

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    If the Spurs put Duncan out on an island to be the lone shot blocker Buckner would be stupid not to penetrate.
    If you can make defensive adjustments that lead to Greg Buckner shooting and penetrating against a defense with 2 bigs in there, then I'll my chances with that. :p

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    snake

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    Mavs own joo.

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    If howard is standing outside the tree point line ... where does that leave the Spurs center? If he comes out, Howard blows by him ... if he doesn't its an open look.
    Okay, except that you can run Harris' man at Josh Howard and I'll let Devin Harris shoot wide open threes all ing day, bro. The Spurs can rotate on three point shooting teams. The 2005 Suns were better shooters with better interior players.

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    If you can make defensive adjustments that lead to Greg Buckner shooting and penetrating against a defense with 2 bigs in there, then I'll my chances with that. :p
    If the Spurs keep two bigs in there, I'll take my chances. If the Spurs have Finley or Horry in there as a shot blocker, I don't need to watch the game to know the outcome.

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    Mavs own joo.
    Too bad I knew it about ten minutes into game 3.

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    Okay, except that you can run Harris' man at Josh Howard and I'll let Devin Harris shoot wide open threes all ing day, bro.
    He won't shoot (Terry would, he wouldn't), he would drive to about 10ft and shoot a open jumper .... or go for the foul call at the rim

    Or even worst as soon as Howard gets it both him and Harris break for the rim leaving the defender in no mans land ... I guess the bigs could try for the shot block, but on which player Howard coming un-obstucted or Harris coming un-obstructed?

    One player cannot cover two .... if he tries he ends up covering neither.

    This would be the Lay-up drill you didn't want to see.

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    Okay, Devin Harris is a way better outside shooter than Buckner is. You win. Thanks for showing me the light.
    who said anything about Devin Harris. He is a choke-shooter, meaning the higher/creater the occasion, the more he starts creating noise polution by clanking the rims. Not an ideal situation for a shooter.

    Buckner, on the other hand just sucks ass. A good defender, but that shot needs work. On second thought, even Cubie's money couldn't fix that disaster. He's one of those goodform-bad result type shooters. Mr. 4-year-Chicago Bull Benny Wallace knows all about that. But hey, Buckner is a shooter, so he's got to let those PRAYERS fly.

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    He won't shoot (Terry would, he wouldn't), he would drive to about 10ft and shoot a open jumper .... or go for the foul call at the rim

    Or even worst as soon as Howard gets it both him and Harris break for the rim leaving the defender in no mans land ... I guess the bigs could try for the shot block, but on which player Howard coming un-obstucted or Harris coming un-obstructed?

    One player cannot cover two .... if he tries he ends up covering neither.

    This would be the Lay-up drill you didn't want to see.
    Oh my God. Maybe all five Mavericks could run to the rim at the exact same time. Man, then they would score every time.

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    Or even worst as soon as Howard gets it both him and Harris break for the rim leaving the defender in no mans land ... I guess the bigs could try for the shot block, but on which player Howard coming un-obstucted or Harris coming un-obstructed?
    Wow ... quoting my own post .... let me laugh for a second





    Alright

    I actually think that this happened in the games. Only they had Manu as the defender ... he didn't do too bad (quick hands) He got some steals as the two (Harris and Howard) went by him.

    Maybe it could work long term .... who knows

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    Howard is a very good with "back cuts" and Harris is a penitrator ... not a shooter

    Oh my God. Maybe all five Mavericks could run to the rim at the exact same time. Man, then they would score every time.
    That would be a blast to watch ... the game would last forever with all the foul calls

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    Wow ... quoting my own post .... let me laugh for a second





    Alright

    I actually think that this happened in the games. Only they had Manu as the defender ... he didn't do too bad (quick hands) He got some steals as the two (Harris and Howard) went by him.

    Maybe it could work long term .... who knows
    I have been trying to research for hours what Dalhoop means. It is definately not synonymous with intellect.

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    The answer is finding PF's/C's who can guard Dirk, or at least turn him into more of the jumpshooter that he is. Thats something our "smalls" could never do and will never do, Dirk is going to drive all day against them, esp if he's getting rewarded by the zebras. And these PF's/C's dont have to be "freakishly athletic" and they dont have to be "lockdown defenders", they just have to be able to roam out to the perimeter, body Dirk up a bit, and keep him from consistently getting to the paint, MAKING him shoot jumpers. Let him get his shot off, he's not going to win the game himself. We then move Bowen to Howard and we're back to playing our normal lineup. Sure Bowen guards Dirk best, but if he doesnt have to for us to win, he shouldnt.

    We turn the Mavs into a jumpshooting team, like the Heat did (particulary in game 6), and we have a much better chance of winning (like another poster said earlier). That smallball crap plays right into their hands.

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    Wow ... quoting my own post .... let me laugh for a second





    Alright

    I actually think that this happened in the games. Only they had Manu as the defender ... he didn't do too bad (quick hands) He got some steals as the two (Harris and Howard) went by him.

    Maybe it could work long term .... who knows
    It might have some success, but having two shot blockers behind you covers a mul ude of sins. I'll do everyone a favor and end on that, as most everybody is clear on my position. Like CD suggested, time to start getting over it.

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    I have been trying to research for hours what Dalhoop means. It is definately not synonymous with intellect.
    He knows a of a lot more about basketball than you do.

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    It is definately not synonymous with intellect.
    Hey now ... I try to avoid cut-downs.

    That was a first for me though ... maybe I will make it my signature "quoting myself" .... Sorry ... too funny

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