Some residents want SAHA to stay out of Stone Oak

[johnsmith]

Why would occupancy rates fall and why the would the property start to deteriorate? Because 64 units will house lower income families? The same kind of lower income family you came from? What if one of them worked in Stone Oak but can't afford to live there, this is a great opportunity for them. This is definitely classism which is just an extension of racism.

I'm surprised that this is your stance on this issue BH.

[2centsworth]

Why would occupancy rates fall and why the would the property start to deteriorate? Because 64 units will house lower income families? The same kind of lower income family you came from? What if one of them worked in Stone Oak but can't afford to live there, this is a great opportunity for them. This is definitely classism which is just an extension of racism.

Look at the facts/stats. I'm not telling you how I feel but what has happened in the past to other properties. If you would like to argue facts am in and I'm not predesposed to any one position.

[ploto]

I will admit that I did not read every post in this thread because it got so long, but do people have no clue of all the places where subsidized housing ALREADY exists in affluent areas of San Antonio. Someone said they would not shop in that area because of it- so I guess you have never been to Huebner Oaks. I even think there may be some subsidized housing in some of the apartments near UTSA and La Cantera. The stupidest part of the whole complaint is that the apartments are not even in Stone Oak and yet they are the people complaining. The mere existence of apartments at all impacts property values more than converting some of the units already there to subsidized housing.

As for crime- ask anyone who has ever lived in Elm Creek. The rich kids commit crime within their own gated community.

[2centsworth]

I will admit that I did not read every post in this thread because it got so long, but do people have no clue of all the places where subsidized housing ALREADY exists in affluent areas of San Antonio.

less than 2% which is the argument for the purchase.

The stupidest part of the whole complaint is that the apartments are not even in Stone Oak and yet they are the people complaining.

they overlook the Sonterra Golf Course. The Sonterra Country Club is the centerpiece of our community

The mere existence of apartments at all impacts property values more than converting some of the units already there to subsidized housing.

These are high end luxury apartments. It's my understanding Steve Kerr lived there while he was building his house.

As for crime- ask anyone who has ever lived in Elm Creek. The rich kids commit crime within their own gated community.

yes there is crime everywhere, but the areas that are densely populated with subsidized housing have exorbitantly higher crime rates.

[MannyIsGod]

Pete, I think the level of the apartments is debatable given the ratings they have on internet sites.

[ploto]

These are high end luxury apartments.

Sorry- Not THAT luxury. There are alot of new apartments in San Antonio that are much higher end than Talavera.

[2centsworth]

Pete, I think the level of the apartments is debatable given the ratings they have on internet sites.

they look absolutely beautiful from the exterior. The rents range from $800-$1800. I'm sure there are better apartments but these are going for $58 million bucks!

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

you need to look in the mirror when calling other people racist because you're pretty hard core. btw, 64 to start when occupancy rates fall and the property starts to deteriorate 64 will turn into a whole lot more. It makes sense because the city won't have to advertise or worry about people not paying rent. They can put a low income tenant and get the tax payers to pay most of the rent.

Why do you assume it will deteriorate? Just because they are poor?

It can and has worked in much, much more affluent neighborhoods(Highland Park, IL).

[2centsworth]

Why do you assume it will deteriorate? Just because they poor?

It can and has worked in much, much more affluent neighborhoods(Highland Park, IL).

we have Camelot and Sunburst apartments. Nevertheless, it's welfare out of countrol and it doesn't make fiscal sense.

[MannyIsGod]

If it doesn't make fiscal sense then I don't think they should do it.

Btw Pete, it looks like you have choosen a side buddy.

[2centsworth]

If it doesn't make fiscal sense then I don't think they should do it.

Btw Pete, it looks like you have choosen a side buddy.

Given the facts, I'm against this idea. However, I have lots of ideas that do make fiscal sense and that would have 100 times the impact.

[scott]

If the Southside has some bookstores, this wouldn't be an issue.

[scott]

How about this for a stance: people shouldn't be given the opportunity to live outside of their means as some form of social welfare. What is the incremental social value created by putting people in high-end apartments in an upper-class section of town (by incremental, I mean versus putting them in less fancy apartments in some other part of town).

Then, let's compare that marginal benefit versus the marginal costs to taxpayers and the deadweight loss created by this silly idea. Methinks it'll be MC > MB.

[Economics professor mode deactivated.]

[Das Texan]

you need to look in the mirror when calling other people racist because you're pretty hard core. btw, 64 to start when occupancy rates fall and the property starts to deteriorate 64 will turn into a whole lot more. It makes sense because the city won't have to advertise or worry about people not paying rent. They can put a low income tenant and get the tax payers to pay most of the rent.

how am i being racist?

i dont think i ever called anyone racist, unless you are talking about discrimination of people based on class, which doesnt take skin tone into account, then sure.

[SequSpur]

None of this makes fiscal sense. It never has and it never will. The only reason Stone Oak doesn't want low or no income apartments in their neighborhood is because they think their crime will go up and their property value will go down. It's stupid, in the overall picture, it doesn't mean and it won't make a difference. They have domestic crime, robberies, theft and other just as much as anybody else.

[PM5K]

I think Dirties Robbed Me has said more ignorant in this thread alone than I've ever read in my entire lifetime...

[johnsmith]

I would venture to guess that most people that approve of this move don't live in Stone Oak and most people that are against it, do live in Stone Oak. So everyone that is for it, call it like it is, jealousy. You're pissed that your employers are all living the good life and you're stuck in other parts of this ty town. That's all it is.

[JoeChalupa]

Jealousy probably does come into the issue and you can call it like it is.
But you can also call it prejudice by class from those who are against it.
But I could be wrong. The wife and I had a nice discussion about this issue yesterday evening. Again, good points from both sides.

[Das Texan]

I would venture to guess that most people that approve of this move don't live in Stone Oak and most people that are against it, do live in Stone Oak. So everyone that is for it, call it like it is, jealousy. You're pissed that your employers are all living the good life and you're stuck in other parts of this ty town. That's all it is.

not at all.


my employer lives off 90 and even then, I'm an Independent Contractor so its not like he is my employer in the strictist sense of the word, but I digress there.


good job buying into more stereotypes. Stone Oak isnt the only area in this city with money. They like most others though, do their fair share of whining though about NIMBYISM, but its not mutually exclusive.

[johnsmith]

not at all.


my employer lives off 90 and even then, I'm an Independent Contractor so its not like he is my employer in the strictist sense of the word, but I digress there.


good job buying into more stereotypes. Stone Oak isnt the only area in this city with money. They like most others though, do their fair share of whining though about NIMBYISM, but its not mutually exclusive.

Eh, stereotypes have to come from somewhere.

[Dr.Phil]

Eh, stereotypes have to come from somewhere.

They come from within. You really need to ask yourself, "Self, why do I have these stereotypes?". Could be from your upbringing or the fact that in today's society the "material wealth" of a person means more than it should.

[Dr.Phil]

Like what. Low income = crime

Rich people don't want poor people living with them

Stop giving free to the poor

Manny is a monkey

Whats ignorant? Why don't you quote me or something before just saying stupid .

Feel free to give me a call. You've got some major issues that you really need to confront. 1-800-DUMBASS.

[Louae]

As a homeowner in Stone Oak, I am a bit perplexed as to why they chose these two complexes for low-income housing. For an area that is known for it's higher priced housing, it seems like an odd choice. Unfortunately, it would have an effect on property values.

That being said, I don't think it's fair to say that low income = dirtbags. While there are some people in the world who are lazy and have no ambition, there are many who have simply been dealt a weird hand and they're doing the best they can.

I don't think anybody would mind the low-income housing if all the people living there were law abiding, hardworking people. Unfortunately, that isn't reality.

[Phil E.Buster]

I don't think anybody would mind the low-income housing if all the people living there were law abiding, hardworking people. Unfortunately, that isn't reality.

That goes for the residents of Stone Oak as well.

[2centsworth]

They have domestic crime, robberies, theft and other just as much as anybody else.

check the crime statistics for the city for the past month... http://www.sanantonio.gov/sapd/DATA/pt20906.htm

I only found one for the 78258 (Sonterra) zip code.