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Man I still remember Kobe absolutely torching us in the 2001 WCF. Still makes me sick thinking about it. The dude is good, period.
OH...MY....GOD! first off, let's go like 4 posts back where you said THIS -
So here you've established that Odom, Butler, Atkins don't even COME CLOSE to what Shaq is worth...and in this genius post all of a sudden those guys are key components that hurt Miami due to losing them in the Shaq trade?
And NO ING that Miami would suck with these guys AND Shaq all out for the playoffs....how good would ANY team be if 3 of their top 4 players were gone? which by the way happened to the LAKERS when they lost Shaq, Malone, and Payton among MANY other players.
Which one is it? Is Shaq>>>>>>Odom,Butler,Aktins or the other way around? You've spoken out of both sides of your ass here. You've said that Miami got significantly better by adding Shaq, and that they lost huge pieces by getting Shaq. Which is it?
Man I still remember Kobe absolutely torching us in the 2001 WCF. Still makes me sick thinking about it. The dude is good, period.
The point is the Heat aren't the same team that almost got the ECF. They totally changed their look the next year so them achieving things that year doesn't mean as they lost most of those players.
and who did they replace them with?
Jason Williams, James Posey, Payton, Alonzo Mourning, and your beloved Antoine Walker, guys considered quality players on their previous teams. They didn't lose ANYTHING of significance from their pre-Shaq playoff team and only added better personnel.
the Lakers replace Shaq, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Rick Fox, and Derek Fisher with Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Chris Mihm.
You're ing kidding me if you think that the Lakers have put any sort of talent around Kobe. Kobe is a victim of a ty GM, not the loss of Shaq. Shaq is getting the benefits of playing with Wade and a bunch of former All-Stars and future Hall Of Famers.
Keep it going...too funny to watch.
haha yeah....and the thing is i'm really not a Kobe fan....i like Shaq way more than Kobe and i think Kobe's still got a ways to go before he becomes a good teammate....but he deserves his fair share of respect and credit for the three-peat, and none of that should be taken away from him just because Shaq piggybacked his way to a le with Wade.
The key word is former. The players were way over the hill by the time they joined Shaq's team. Kobe thought though he had to do it all on his own. He was especially selfish in that Detroit series. Instead of giving the ball to Shaq who had a size mismatch against Ben Wallace Kobe decides to force shots over Prince's 6'9 frame. Not even driving. Kobe can be incredible and can be an idiot at times with the decisions he makes. Odom and Walton are respectable players and the reason the Lakers almost beat the Suns last year. Unfortunately Kobe doesn't always get them involved.
weren't you just talking about how great those former all-stars were last year as they WON A LE?
i'll take a former all-star over smush parker or chris mihm any day.
This thread is made of win and awesome.
Lakers started this season 15-6 and once the injuries happend they were 26-13, then the nose dive. Injuries is what happened, not Kobe being selfish.
Now, we've already proved to you that Kobe did make a serious contribution to the Lakers run, and only won their first le when he started to mature.
I believe Kobe missed some of those games early in the season and the lakers were winning. Yeah they went 3-1. Kobe just doesn't make as great of an impact in the game as you would like to think. If he had Nash's vision it would be different as he would consistently get a ton of assist. He likes to play 1 on 5 too much though.
Last edited by mavsfan1000; 04-18-2007 at 02:03 PM.
Well the mavs were 3 and 0 when Dirk didnt play, so I guess if he hadnt played they would have been 82 and 0 for the year. The Lakers were absolutely decimated by injury this year, I think they had their starting lineup on the court for like 16 games this year. No team would win if that happened
Wow..never knew the Heat had Chucky Atkins
oh wow I was so distracted by his idiotic comments that I didn't even catch this. yet another mistake in his weak argument although I should have caught that earlier.Wow..never knew the Heat had Chucky Atkins
Yeah it was so weak. Atkins would've put the Heat over the top.
Kobe missed the entire training camp, a few games here and there and still led the league in scoring while carrying his depleted to the 7th seed. Not bad for selfish introvert who's only worried about his stats. Nash has great shooters and finishers on his team...compared that to the lakers and what do they have.
Yea, he is. You just happen to me one of the worst posters ever at trying to make a point. You make a point, then as soon as its diproved, say that it didnt matter. You, sir, have no good points to make about anything. But Im sure you will make some other bull up SD jr.Yeah it was so weak. Atkins would've put the Heat over the top.
you as well. Kobe lover. That's your name for now on.
yourself dip , have a good take once in awhile and maybe you wont get called out. Stupid little Mav fan that knows nothing about basketball. Go head and call me Kobe lover, rather be called that than SpurDynasty jr. How many times do you have to get called out for being wrong joto?
Last edited by mardigan; 04-18-2007 at 04:16 PM.
Chucky Atkins was a beast on that Heat team
ing dumbass
no the point was that you ed up when you said that the Shaq trade was for Odom,Butler, and Atkins because Atkins was never involved in the trade.Yeah it was so weak. Atkins would've put the Heat over the top.
It's pathetic that you are looking for a slight mess up on my part to prove that Kobe is so great. Get over it already. Kobe isn't the best.
Maybe if you didnt up every thing you said he could get over it, but everything you say eventually we have to get over because its wrong. And Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dirk. Whats pathetic is your lack of baketball knowledge
Oh my god. I've been watching basketball for 12 years intensely. Dirk is better than Kobe as proven by his team that can't be beaten. Kobe might've had some special performances but consistency is the key to success. Dirk is that.
one slight mess up isn't a big deal.
15 slight mess ups is.
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