With Scola in the Spurs we can play in the same shape for 48 minutes
Duncan can play 35 minutes and when he´s in the bench Scola can make the same Plays
He can spark the team from the bench
The Bulls realgm board, at least, has some guys really liking a Scola for Nocioni trade:
I have no idea how BYC works, but Nocioni has been informed by the team that he may be shipped around, and is excited by the idea of playing with buddies in San Antonio. I'd like to see Scola and Nocioni together (in Chicago), but it likely won't happen.[I] would offer Duhon, a re-signed Nocioni and maybe a 2nd rounder for Elson, Udrih, Barry, and Scola's rights, provided we feel good about getting him over for this season. There's no long-term financial commitment there other than what we sign Scola for and we balance out the roster pretty well.
In any case, a Nocioni swap is more likely now than it has been in some time.
whoever this guy is, make him the Bulls GM!
can't imagine that a fan of another team proposes to take Elson+Udrih of our hands in a Scola package and adds Duhon + a pick for this. great.
I again back-up the opinion, that the first step in a S&T is an agreement between the player and the team he wants to go to.
what the other team can offer will be next step.
we have seen S&T that brought back much less, than what the Spurs can offer. (usually unrestricted FAs, though)
Brad Miller was virtually traded for Scott Pollard.
Al Harrington was traded for a 1st round pick and cash. (at this time noone could expect that it will turn into a #11 pick)
Jamal Crawford (he was restricted) was virtually traded for Ot a Harrington (Wiilams didn't play, Trybiansky was waived and Mutobo shipped to Houston)
Antoine Walker was traded for Albert Miralles (rights) and two second-round picks. (Borchard and Woods were waived)
Dampier (back then labeled best available center) was traded for Najera and 2 1st rounders.(high picks, because Dallas was already a top team)
A guy on the realgm boards was showing this trade:
In which case the Spurs take it and run far, far away. I do think Chicago requires some sweetener - the draft pick, perhaps some cash - but it does help the Bulls, despite losing one of their great hustlers. With a draft of Hawes and a new Scola, Chicago has great potential inside in the next few years, maybe sooner rather than later. And this is a far better plan than trading for Zach Randolph.There could be some number issues though. Some of the CBA gurus on the Bulls board said that in all likelyhood, Nocioni will be BYC when he signs his new contract, which would make his outgoing trade value $3.9 mil. Here's the salary numbers of the players being thrown around in trade ideas:
Brent Barry: $5.5 mil
Francisco Elson: $3 mil
Fabricio Oberto: $2.7 mil (player option)
Beno Udrih: $1.7 mil
Jackie Butler: $2.4 mil
Luis Scola: $0
'08 1st: $0
Andres Nocioni: $3.9 mil
Chris Duhon: $3.2 mil
Viktor Khryapa: $1.9 mil
Adrian Griffin: $1.6 mil
Niether team can be 25% + $100k over what they send out in salaries, so the trades would be a little different than the Barry + Elson/Butler/Oberto + Scola's right for Nocioni deals being tossed around. If Barry is included, the deal most likely looks like this:
- Barry + Elson + Udrih + Scola's rights + '08 1st (total: $10.2 mil)
for
- Nocioni + Duhon + Khryapa (total: $9 mil)
The Bulls are going over what they're sending out, but 9 * 125% = 11.25 so it's ok. Cliff Levingston added the '08 1st to even out the deal a little for the Bulls.
yes, now they throw in Khryapa (a player Spurs have been watching for years) and still want only our oddments. oh yes, he wants the 2008 pick (not this years pick)
should we do it or try to lowball him by offering a 2nd rounder for the 1st rounder?
Some crap we have laying around + a late first next year + a guy we don't even want
for
a nice backup point for one year + a decent, young SF prospect + Andres freaking Nocioni
It's comical. But this is not only a Bulls fan proposing this, but one of the respected elders of their board. This is their timvp. That's how slim this year's post-man crop is.
It's insane and I have to prepare for disappointment.
yes, we should keep in mind we are talking about Paxon.
(when was the last time he did a trade that clearly favoured the other team?)
hey, we are talking about the guy who sold Brian Colangelo Jackson Vroman and a future 1st rounder for Loul Deng!!! (a pick that turned out to be the #21 pick in 2005).
I take that trade in a heartbeat. I toss in this year's 33 and 58 picks too if they want them. Bring this on!
Does anyone know what car Andres is in right here?
Looks like he borrowed Matt's Grand Am.
maybe a bmw?
Chapumobile.
You don't see too many red beamers...
he's not coming so let's just end this thread
just look at the Spurs history, WE DON'T GET FREE AGENTS. If it wasn't for luckily landing D Rob and Duncan the Spurs wouldn't be
Spurs + key free agent = mathematical error
...Riiiigggghhhttt...
Only Elson has been a regular in this season's rotation. Sold.- Barry + Elson + Udrih + Scola's rights + '08 1st (total: $10.2 mil)
for
- Nocioni + Duhon + Khryapa (total: $9 mil)
They are all over the place in SA. Very common color here, probably the most popular.
Did you forget your pill this morning?
It looks like an Audi A6.Not a BMW in my opinion
Does anyone know what car Andres is in right here?
This was from the Daily Herald today. It seems to encourage the previous ideas of a massive Spurs/Bulls trade.As has been written here before, the Bulls’ goal this summer is to add more size to the roster without subtracting from the nucleus, which currently includes Hinrich, Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, Ben Wallace, Tyrus Thomas and Thabo Sefolosha.
That leaves Chris Duhon, Viktor Khryapa and a potential sign-and-trade with Andres Nocioni as the team’s primary trade bait
It's telling that Nocioni isn't included in the 'nucleus'. I'd be surprised if Nocioni weren't traded and there stands a good chance it will be to the Spurs.
Heres hoping. Nocioni is just what the doctor ordered.
Now all we need to do is figure out a way to draft Rudy Fernandez.
Were you being facetious? Brent Barry, Michael Finley, Robert Horry were not free agents?
There are a lot of Zach Randolph trades flying around message boards where Portland gets Nocioni plus other considerations. It makes little sense. First, Paxson is smarter than spending tons of money on an overblown talent like Z-Bo with tons of weaknesses and some character issues.
But second, and by far more important, Nocioni is not under contract and cannot be dealt in a S&T to a team he does not wish to play for. Would he want to play on a young team like the Blazers, who are hardly a lock for the playoffs next year? I don't think he would, at least over a team where two of his buddies aleady play, that needs him, and has a role for him... The question is... what teams WOULD Nocioni play for?
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