At the risk of suffering...

[gtownspur]

Already did. His characterization is accurate.

You probably skipped the comprehension and critical thinking. Don't even bother. Here's a dancing elephant to get those dying population of brain cells active.

[Yonivore]

Back on topic:

The desperate Jesse Jackson

I guess race hustlin’ is getting pretty difficult. The "Reverend" Jesse Jackson has sunk to picketing an Illinois gun shop–to protest the murder of a young black man by black gang-bangers:

The Rev. Jesse Jackson was arrested Saturday at a demonstration outside a south suburban gun shop and charged with one count of criminal trespass to property.

Jackson was arrested when he refused to move away from the entrance to Chuck’s Gun Shop in Riverdale, police said. He has protested with other community activists outside the shop in recent weeks after a 16-year-old honor student was gunned down on a city bus.

Police said the shooting was gang-related but the teen was not the intended target.

Jackson, who says the gun shop’s proximity to Chicago provides gang members and criminals easy access to firearms, has used the protests to call for stricter gun laws.

Reduced to harrassing a gun shop instead of facing down the black gangs that are terrorizing innocent, Chicago-area students and spilling their blood. Always the consummate opportunist, Jesse Jackson once again reveals what an increasingly irrelevant moral coward he has become.

MLK must be spinning in his grave about now—knowing that his civil rights legacy has been hijacked and distorted into unrecogizability by a self-promoting, race-baiting poverty pimp named Jesse Jackson.

[ChumpDumper]

He's relevant only because you bring him up all the time. I wouldn't have known about this unless you posted it.

Was Cameron Diaz there too?

[Jamtas#2]

Well, not a majority but; allow me to answer anyway. Yes, Africans. Many of the true African-Americans, here now, are immigrants from slave-practicing countries or are the decendants of Africans who sold other Africans into slavery during the hey day of the Slave trade.

That's why the reparations nonsense is just that, nonsense. There's no way to separate the guilty from the innocent. There are many non-blacks that absolutely nothing to do with slavery. And there are many blacks that a lot to do with slavery. And, over a centurty later, there's not way to extricate the truth or divvy up retribution.

I don't know the exact percentage but, I'm told the percentage of Aftrican Americans whose families were ever impacted by the slave trade is quite small. And, you have to figure in those that were involved as slave traders -- and not slaves.

Well, reparations is a whole nother topic. Bringing up the African slave traders is reaching into another country. If we are going to expand this topic globally than your earlier statement is easy to refute. You can look all around the globe and see riots of all ethnicities on a pretty equal basis (white/arab eurpoeans, arabs in the middle east, whites in Soviet Union, Hispanics in Central and South America, etc), not just the African community.

Back on topic:
The desperate Jesse Jackson
I guess race hustlin’ is getting pretty difficult. The "Reverend" Jesse Jackson has sunk to picketing an Illinois gun shop–to protest the murder of a young black man by black gang-bangers:

This is actually not back on topic. The topic of our conversation was whether or not there was something in the african community that made them prone to rioting. I agree the that race baiting does a disservice to us all.

I guess the main position on where we disagree and seem to keep going around on is that I believe that the past oppression and discrimintation play a role in how the African Community was shaped and how it is today. I am understanding you to believe that you agree that the oppression and discrimination was a bad thing, but it has no bearing on where the African American community has evolved to today.

[Yonivore]

I guess the main position on where we disagree and seem to keep going around on is that I believe that the past oppression and discrimintation play a role in how the African Community was shaped and how it is today. I am understanding you to believe that you agree that the oppression and discrimination was a bad thing, but it has no bearing on where the African American community has evolved to today.

That's a fair assessment except I would not say it has no bearing on where the African American community has evolved to today. Instead, I would say the day is long past when the black community has the luxury of blaming past evils on its current cultural failures. You can only lean on a crutch for so long.

Alluding to something said earlier in the thread:

If racists and bigots -- and maybe those who were neither but, none-the-less, adopted politically incorrect terms or concepts before they were politically incorrect, (for instance, my grandmother whose best friend was black called blacks "Nigras" 'til her dying day) -- are expected to infallibly tow the racially correct line, without exception -- with no grace; then blacks should be expected to accept that the law treats them equally and that they now have -- and have had for some time now -- the same opportunities as everyone else. They should be expected to quit leaning on their poor oppressed history as a crutch for not achieving in the here and now.

You, by claiming the oppressed history of their ancestors is an excuse for their cultural failures today is just as bad. Particularly in light of the many blacks who have emerged from that culture and excelled. I believe that view is racist in that it say, but for some unequal concession or preference in the law, black people cannot achieve. That is the "soft bigotry of low expectations" and black who have achieved should be offended by that position.

Instead, many blacks will -- at the least provocation or, sometimes, with mistaken provocation -- scream racism at the top of their lungs. Anybody here remember the poor bean counter in D.C. who almost lost his job and became a national poster boy for racism simply because he used the contextually proper term " rdly" during a budget meeting.

Being held back by "The Man" is no longer a valid rationale for the current culture in the black community.

[Extra Stout]

That's a fair assessment except I would not say it has no bearing on where the African American community has evolved to today. Instead, I would say the day is long past when the black community has the luxury of blaming past evils on its current cultural failures. You can only lean on a crutch for so long.

In a sense, I would agree with some of this. While white racism has played a big role in the present-day cultural dysfunction of the black community, stamping out racism by itself isn't going to solve the problems. Take white people completely out of the equation, and the predominance of single-parent families, devaluement of education, black-on-black crime, misogyny, stigmatization of achievement, self-loathing, etc., still remain, even to whatever degree those cultural tendencies were brought about by past racism.

So how do we begin to change course of these kinds of cultural issues?

[Yonivore]

In a sense, I would agree with some of this. While white racism has played a big role in the present-day cultural dysfunction of the black community, stamping out racism by itself isn't going to solve the problems. Take white people completely out of the equation, and the predominance of single-parent families, devaluement of education, black-on-black crime, misogyny, stigmatization of achievement, self-loathing, etc., still remain, even to whatever degree those cultural tendencies were brought about by past racism.

So how do we begin to change course of these kinds of cultural issues?

First of all, I think you quit excusing the behaviors...then, you encourage the rational black people to work hard to discredit the race pimps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

It'd be nice if, every now and then, when Al Sharption stood beside the Tawana Brawley du jour, another prominent black would stand up and call him the race pimp he is.

That'd be a nice start.

[Marcus Bryant]

Since 'they' are obviously subhuman, how about extermination?

[Yonivore]

Since 'they' are obviously subhuman, how about extermination?

Once again, relevant commentary from MB.

[Marcus Bryant]

Very relevant given your "perspective".

[Yonivore]

Very relevant given your "perspective".

I'm not the one suggesting blacks are subhuman and should be exterminated. You are.

[Marcus Bryant]

You've all but said it. The mongrel race must be destroyed.

[Yonivore]

You've all but said it. The mongrel race must be destroyed.

No I haven't.

I hope you're getting tutored on your reading comprehension.

[Marcus Bryant]

No I haven't.

I hope you're getting tutored on your reading comprehension.

Yeah, I guess it's hard to comprehend:

Is there a race, other than blacks, that routinely does this?

Followed by "examples" to substantiate the "routine" claim with two of those events having occurred over 15 years ago.

You obviously have a problem getting past your own personal racial hatred. Seek counseling.

[Extra Stout]

First of all, I think you quit excusing the behaviors...then, you encourage the rational black people to work hard to discredit the race pimps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

It'd be nice if, every now and then, when Al Sharption stood beside the Tawana Brawley du jour, another prominent black would stand up and call him the race pimp he is.

That'd be a nice start.

That's just regurgitated oversimplified right-wing boilerplate. If it were that easy to solve the problem, there wouldn't be a Third World.

[Yonivore]

Yeah, I guess it's hard to comprehend:

Is there a race, other than blacks, that routinely does this?

Followed by "examples" to substantiate the "routine" claim with two of those events having occurred over 15 years ago.

And, you extrapolate this to a call for the extermination of blacks? Yeah, I'd say you need some tutoring.

And, of course you responded with examples of when other races have routinely rioted over the same time period.

[Jamtas#2]

You, by claiming the oppressed history of their ancestors is an excuse for their cultural failures today is just as bad. Particularly in light of the many blacks who have emerged from that culture and excelled. I believe that view is racist in that it say, but for some unequal concession or preference in the law, black people cannot achieve. That is the "soft bigotry of low expectations" and black who have achieved should be offended by that position.

Ok, that is your misperception of my arguement. I am not making an "excuse" for the behaviors that you have cited. Nowhere did I say that the riots you have cited are excusable because of past racism. I am trying to provide an insight as to why those behaviors have occured (stemming from your original question), and yes it ultimately comes down to a personal choice. But understanding past actions that helped to form their economic status as a whole helps to give perspective as to present culture.

[Yonivore]

Ok, that is your misperception of my arguement. I am not making an "excuse" for the behaviors that you have cited. Nowhere did I say that the riots you have cited are excusable because of past racism. I am trying to provide an insight as to why those behaviors have occured (stemming from your original question), and yes it ultimately comes down to a personal choice. But understanding past actions that helped to form their economic status as a whole helps to give perspective as to present culture.

So, what does giving a perspective as to the present culture do for us?

[Jamtas#2]

So, what does giving a perspective as to the present culture do for us?

It means it is not an inherinet genetic quality, but rather a product of environment.

[Yonivore]

It means it is not an inherinet genetic quality, but rather a product of environment.

Again, I never claimed it was genetic.

[Extra Stout]

It'd be nice if, every now and then, when Al Sharption stood beside the Tawana Brawley du jour, another prominent black would stand up and call him the race pimp he is.

That'd be a nice start.

Like the Obama campaign did?

Sharpton is always going to appeal to uneducated blacks, who don't have a nuanced or thoughful expression of their frustration, just as the Pat Robertsons of the world will always appeal to unsophisticated white evangelicals. In that way, Sharpton is always going to have a means to make money, and because he is a demagogue who riles white people up, the mainstream press is going to follow him around.

But by no means should you think that just because their opinions haven't been spoon-fed to you to the media, that prominent blacks respected in their own community march in lockstep with people like Sharpton.

[Extra Stout]

And, of course you responded with examples of when other races have routinely rioted over the same time period.

Outside the United States, riots by all races, almost always from the underclasses, are common and well-do ented.

[Marcus Bryant]

And, you extrapolate this to a call for the extermination of blacks? .

Yes. Given that you are so willing to turn one relatively minor event into the condemnation of an entire race, genocide is your destination.

Yeah, I'd say you need some tutoring

Says the redneck with a broadband connection.

And, of course you responded with examples of when other races have routinely rioted over the same time period.

Keep up the good fight in the race war.

[Jamtas#2]

So, what does giving a perspective as to the present culture do for us?

There's not a black alive today that was a slave and I dare say, they don't even know what discrimination is, in the face of their Jim Crow suffering ancestors. They have preferential treatment in employment, in lending, in education, etc...
It's against the ing law to discriminate against a black person...and has been for a number of decades now. We have black CEO's, black Congressmen, Black mayors, Black Senators, Black Governors, you name it and there's a black doing it. Look at Oprah for God's sake! Queen of the ing universe!
There's no discrimination against blacks. There is, however, discrimination against thugs.
What social inequities do they suffer today?
That's bull . They're dragging out the race card for as long as they can because they believe it justifies their atrocious actions.

You asked what social inequities do they suffer today.
The actions of the past shape the present and created the social inequities of today.

[Yonivore]

Like the Obama campaign did?

Refresh my memory.

But, one instance doesn't negate the decades of this pimping.

Sharpton is always going to appeal to uneducated blacks, who don't have a nuanced or thoughful expression of their frustration, just as the Pat Robertsons of the world will always appeal to unsophisticated white evangelicals. In that way, Sharpton is always going to have a means to make money, and because he is a demagogue who riles white people up, the mainstream press is going to follow him around.

But by no means should you think that just because their opinions haven't been spoon-fed to you to the media, that prominent blacks respected in their own community march in lockstep with people like Sharpton.

I think the basic difference in what you bring up is that media coverage of Sharpton and Jackson, when they are race pimping, tends to be biased towards lending credibility and import to what's pouring out of their mouths whereas media coverage of Pat Robertson or Jerry Fallwell tends to be from the perspective of look how crazy these people are and here -- we'll provide an opposing view just to show you.

Sure, they both get covered but, I think press coverage of Jackson and Sharpton tends to be of the support kind where that of evangelicals tends to be of the critical kind.