Lowered Expectations in Iraq

[Wild Cobra]

Can anybody clarify on the College excuse?

Not with certainty.

I mean I'm 100% postive that in my AP US History class in HS I read that people who were going to college or attending college/grad school were not drafted, people with good professions were not drafted, the people that were drafted were bums and crazy people or who had no life.

If I recall right, the draft system was complex enough to factor those going to college to be exempt depending on their courses and grades. The people in professions were dependant on the necessity of the professions both and civilian and military occupations. Many doctors were drafted....

It isn't that bums and lazy people were drafted, just that they had no reasons not to be drafted unless they had a medical reason. Religion did not matter. Conscientious objectors were simply placed in noncombatant jobs.

----added----

The above is not to say that those finishing college could not be drafted. Just that they are now qualified to be drafted as officers!

[medstudent]

And E20 if you choose to be a conscientious objector, they will still take you and make you do something else, even if its not combat.

[xrayzebra]

I was discussing this ridiculous notion concerning the new neocon definition of patriotism recently with one of my co-workers. He was a die hard Bush supporter in 2000.. an Aggie proud of another Texan winning the Presidency...today? He is a Democrat because of Bush.. I brought up to him this notion of patriotism and fighting for our country. We both are both in our late 30's.. I told him that if we were invaded by a foreign foe that I would kiss my son goodbye and head to the front lines in South Texas knowing full well that it would probably be the last time I would ever see my child. He agreed that he woud lay his life down to protect our country... NEITHER of us would consider fighting in Iraq because we know it does nothing for our freedom here at home..The moral of the story for the Ray's of the world is very simple. Most Liberals would lay their lives down for this country but not in an unecessary war.. and certainly not for a President , or political party, that does not value the lives of those who fight ... dems may be wrong on this Ira thing but most want the troops home in one piece..

Well GGA, you like most Liberals wont admit that it isn't
the President that takes a country into war. The
government as a whole does that. No President can
single handily take the country into war. And if you
believe that Congress hasn't been fully informed on
the intelligence the President uses to request "permission"
to go to war, then you are dumb as a door knob.

Those of the Congress who now claim they were duped
into voting for war need to be replaced because they
are also dumb as a door knob.

The "rays" of this world have done their share to keep
this country in shape so you call call us the dummies.
So enjoy your freedom. That is what we served for.

[E20]

what is there to clarify? You used to be able to get an educational deferrment. Now you cannot. They let you finish your semester and then you go where ever they tell you to do whatever they want. It doesn't matter your profession or income or whatever.

They changed the policy because the poor were fighting America's wars and that is unfair.

Maybe now you'll be a little more interested and critical of a government that has the power to own you. Because if we get into another war and start a draft, it will be because of head's war completely that depleted the volunteer military.

I would not get drafted as said before, so it doesn't really apply to me, moreso to you than me. Better watch out. LMAO

But I don't think that the Bush adminstration will start another war in the time frame of the remaining term. Who would they go to war against? Iran.......they don't have that much on Iran, except for Uranium enrichment and ties with other ME countries.

[E20]

And E20 if you choose to be a conscientious objector, they will still take you and make you do something else, even if its not combat.

I have no serious problem with that, but I highly doubt that I still will definetly get drafted if there was a war and I have an excellent medical reason to negate that draft.

[xrayzebra]

I would not get drafted as said before, so it doesn't really apply to me, moreso to you than me. Better watch out. LMAO

But I don't think that the Bush adminstration will start another war in the time frame of the remaining term. Who would they go to war against? Iran.......they don't have that much on Iran, except for Uranium enrichment and ties with other ME countries.

And bankrolling and furnishing arms to the AQ in Iraq.
Just a little fart, no .

[Wild Cobra]

Those of the Congress who now claim they were duped
into voting for war need to be replaced because they
are also dumb as a door knob.

Absolutely true.

Then don't forget Hillary's excuse. She didn't read it! What qualifications!

[E20]

And bankrolling and furnishing arms to the AQ in Iraq.
Just a little fart, no .

I was gonna mention that, but I'm uncertain about that because I haven't really kept up to date witht he whole Iran fiasco and haven't really read any clear cut proof if Iran is arming AQ fighters in Iraq, the most I have heard/read about Iran is the whole harnessing of Nuclear energy.

[clambake]

I would not get drafted as said before, so it doesn't really apply to me, moreso to you than me. Better watch out. LMAO

But I don't think that the Bush adminstration will start another war in the time frame of the remaining term. Who would they go to war against? Iran.......they don't have that much on Iran, except for Uranium enrichment and ties with other ME countries.

they didn't have any on iraq, that didn't stop them. this administration is the king of fabricators.

[ChumpDumper]

Congress authorized the use of force.

Bush gave the order to invade.

Congress is responsible for being pussies.

Bush is responsible for the war

[George Gervin's Afro]

Well GGA, you like most Liberals wont admit that it isn't
the President that takes a country into war. The
government as a whole does that. No President can
single handily take the country into war. And if you
believe that Congress hasn't been fully informed on
the intelligence the President uses to request "permission"
to go to war, then you are dumb as a door knob.

Those of the Congress who now claim they were duped
into voting for war need to be replaced because they
are also dumb as a door knob.

The "rays" of this world have done their share to keep
this country in shape so you call call us the dummies.
So enjoy your freedom. That is what we served for.

The Congress can declare war but the President is the only person who can send others to fight. You get that? Let's assume your right (which your not) about those who have seen the error of their ways.. they now want to rectify the situation by bringing those in harms way home.. isn't that the right thing to do? You propose to stay in Iraq indefinitely even though the President has said on numerous occasions that this Iraq thng may not work out as he had hoped...

[ChumpDumper]

Congress didn't declare war. They voted to puss out and give that power to Bush.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I was gonna mention that, but I'm uncertain about that because I haven't really kept up to date witht he whole Iran fiasco and haven't really read any clear cut proof if Iran is arming AQ fighters in Iraq, the most I have heard/read about Iran is the whole harnessing of Nuclear energy.

some intellectual honesty..This administration deserves to be questioned at every turn when mking accusations about Iran or anyone else for that matter...Bush has his only himslef to blame for the lack of credibility ths govt has at this point..

[George Gervin's Afro]

Congress didn't declare war. They voted to puss out and give that power to Bush.

I understand that but I wanted to remind Ray how the war powers in this country work..

[medstudent]

We'll see E20. For your sake I hope you're right.

[E20]

We'll see E20. For your sake I hope you're right.

I was tested postive for TB baby!!!

Don't tell any girls this, it might scare them away, but my Doctor told me that if my lungs are suddenly put under too much stress and work, I might just start seizuring and throwing up blood from the lack of oxygen baby!

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yoni is lurking..prepare for the blogs...

[medstudent]

I was tested postive for TB baby!!!

Don't tell any girls this, it might scare them away, but my Doctor told me that if my lungs are suddenly put under too much stress and work, I might just start seizuring and throwing up blood from the lack of oxygen baby!

Are you on medication? Rifampin and Isonazid?

[xrayzebra]

Oh my, it is just got to be Bush fault. Congress has no blame
for anything. What a bunch of wimps we have in this forum.

You bunch of gutless wonders. All you can scream is Bush, Bush
and more Bush.

And you are what I have to rely on in my golden years. I am
the one that needs to be worried.

Oh, and by the way, I don't think Congress made a mistake
in their decision to support Bush. He did the right thing. It
is some that are still in Congress that are making the mistake
of supporting a no win situation. By the way what is the
alternative to not winning. Could it be losing?

[clambake]

I thought you left?

[xrayzebra]

some intellectual honesty..This administration deserves to be questioned at every turn when mking accusations about Iran or anyone else for that matter...Bush has his only himslef to blame for the lack of credibility ths govt has at this point..

Really. Do you believe the most wonderful UN.
Just checking. I want to be sure who you do trust.

[xrayzebra]

I thought you left?

That should read, thought you were right. You are
left.

[clambake]

where are the wonderful writings of others as seen through yoni's eyes?

[xrayzebra]

where are the wonderful writings of others as seen through yoni's eyes?

He may have a life other than this forum. I am sure he
will show up in a few days. Which reminds me. It's
Miller time.......

[ChumpDumper]

Oh my, it is just got to be Bush fault. Congress has no blame
for anything. What a bunch of wimps we have in this forum.

You bunch of gutless wonders. All you can scream is Bush, Bush
and more Bush.

And you are what I have to rely on in my golden years. I am
the one that needs to be worried.

Oh, and by the way, I don't think Congress made a mistake
in their decision to support Bush. He did the right thing. It
is some that are still in Congress that are making the mistake
of supporting a no win situation. By the way what is the
alternative to not winning. Could it be losing?

So there was no mistake, but if there was it wasn't Bush's fault.

You're a bit to eager to spread the blame to maintain no mistakes were made.