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Just give it up diego. He's not going to be satisfied until everybody says Drazen was the best guard to ever live...
see doping and steriods, without proof, is just stupid to bring that up. its not like IOC officials are clean and they're drug tests trustworthy.
there is no difference, i did not say there was, i said it was rude to be arrogant "great on spanking USA" when they were playing against a collegiate team. sabonis nor russians made this comment that is why i called it what it is, a upset. its one thing to be proud, another to be rude. i say sabonis > drazen, because great centers are less common, because sabonis victory against USA was against a great center (drob), and because sabonis also had a pretty good nba career. drazen, if not for the accident, could have been more, but from what he played, i must say he was a very good guard, but there are many good guardss all over the world.
and i agree, now that the US selects whatever players they want, it is their responsibility to put their best team, not ours.
Just give it up diego. He's not going to be satisfied until everybody says Drazen was the best guard to ever live...
Manu>Petrovic
I used to love watching play Darzen in Real Madrid and in the NBA as well,but Manu has taken it to a higher level.
Um...if you test NBA players for dope, you will find plenty...but it won't be steroids. Steroids are more useless in basketball than any other sport.
Detlef Schrempf. Hands down. End of discussion.
Manute Bol. Hands down. End of discussion.
Sharunas Marchulionis or Rony Seikaly. Hands down. End of discussion.
Check out the wikipedia entry for international players:
here
Apparently, Dominique Wilkins was born in Paris. 'Nique should make the list.
What Yugo team specifically are you speaking of ?What is the big difference between USA team that Sabonis have won and Drazen and Yugo have won?
Is it the 1990 World Championship team ??
If that is the team you are comparing to the 1988 Russian olympic team that won the gold then yes there is a difference in their accomplishments. The 1988 USA olympic team had college players who had just been drafted and about to be pro were as the 1990 world championship team did not have any of the college players who had just been drafted. So the team USA that Drazen beat was not at full strength, team usa did not have Derrick Coleman, Gary Payton and Dennis Scott who would have been playing if it was the olympics.
I have to say then that beating the 1988 USA olympic team is a better accomplishment than beating the 1990 USA world championships team.
diego...I do my share of provoking...but in this case, all I did was rank Sabonis as the best International player ever and say he indirectly lead to the creation of the Dream Team...Correcly IMO, because without him, the Soviets would not have beaten us in 88(they barely beat us with him and we were missing 2 key players)...and all of sudden I incurred the wrath of Slovenia...clueless, American Ignorance...
I was innocent on this one...and I'm still right.
They are outraged that we didn't percieve them as a threat to our basketball dominance or something...but our basketball dominance was ended by the Soviets. Add the ideological differences and ColdWar propaganda....you know, every victory by one country over the other was viewed by the leaders of those countries as a victory for their way of life...of course it was the Soviets that caused it...Ronald Reagan was the President at that time....and basketball was our game.
The other thing is...it wasn't all up to the USA...FIBA wouldn't let America use NBA players but other countries were using their pros....that rule was no longer fair after their pros beat our college kids in the Olympics...again, the Soviets did that. We had lost many WC's without that rule being changed.
Anyway....this whole argument was about Slovenian/Yugo grief/frustration that their great team was denied it's moment in time...and had nothing to do with any provocation by me. I actually think Sabonis is over-rated...but nontheless...without him the Dream Team would not have happened and he does rate as the best International developed player ever IMO.
America was always losing the World Championships and were never really dominant in them...it was the Olympics where we dominated. Losing WC's had nothing to do with the Dream Team...it was 100% the Olympics.
We didn't really start dominating the WC's till after the Dream Team era began.
But anyway...nice job
Here's a list of the FIBA World Champions:
Team Gold Silver Bronze Fourth-place
USA 3 (1954, 1986, 1994)
Yugoslavia# 3 (1970*, 1978, 1990)
Soviet Union# 3 (1967, 1974, 1982)
Brazil 2 (1959, 1963*)
Serbia^ 2 (1998, 2002)
Argentina 1 (1950*)
Spain 1 (2006)
America has won 3 of them total, since 1950.
The 86 win was the first time we had won the FIBA World Championship in 30 years.
Now that I look at it...we didn't care about the WC after the Dream Era began. We only won one of them.
The World Championships had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the Dream Team....if it mattered, the Dream Team would have been ins uted at some point in our 30 year drought from winning it.
Sorry Slovenes...you're wrong.
Nice joke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_Wo...ship#Summaries
Sorry Whottt...but I must say YOU ARE FULL OF IT!
So you don't care?! Why are you sending top tier pros to this ty tournaments then? Since 1990 every single team (except 1998) you sent was full of "stars".
You even had a need to organize one of this tournaments that nobody cares about. I understand that you have to downplay the importance of this Championships. Your team got punke'd regularly so there was nothing to brag about. I dare you to check out rosters of USA teams and then tell me that you sent nobodies. Olympic team (you said that you care about those) that you sent to Athens was no different (talent wise) than any of these sent to WC's.
To help you out, here is the link that will help you check out team USA WC rosters since the beginning:
http://www.usabasketball.com/history/mwc_2002.html
But I'm sure that we'll be witnesses to some major fact screwing just to prove your point. Enjoy.
Last edited by sendman; 12-05-2007 at 06:13 PM.
There are plenty of performance-enhancing drugs out there besides steroids.
Again. Look Whott, I never claim anything about which defeat leads to DT No.1. It is not this topic.
I don't care about it.
But I steel think (it is evidently) 89-91 Yugo team was better then USSR. The same for 74-80.
So I was not wrong and still am not.
And I was really nice to you. I am still. I don't even tell you what is called not to know who is you real opponent.
Who were the boys who played against DT in 92 finals, Russians ?
I know he had a short career which was tragically cut short, but I thought Drazen Petrovic could been one of the great international players.
I've never heard of weed being described as performance enhancing...you do a test on the avg NBA player...that's the drug you are going to find.
Stupid thread, Hakeem in a landslide
This really isn't even an issue
Hakeem, Nash, and Duncan, are only American players. That I know of, they never played "internationally." Now Tony, Manu, and Dirk (I think) did. So it's between these last three. It's Manu hands down.
Now, if you are talking about being foreign born, that's a completely different category. Base on accomplishments, championships, etc, it's Timmy.
Manu and Scola
1. Manu (skills to, not just accomplishments)
being an international player isn't really about if you played in the euroleague or other leagues but it is all abou being from another country than America.FOR ME THE GREATEST INTERNATIONAL AND NBA PLAYER TODAY IS TIM DUNCAN AND IF ANYONE DOES NOT NOW THAT,THEIR BORN YESTERDAY!
Last edited by 100%duncan; 12-07-2007 at 06:28 AM.
STUPID?WHY WOULD YOU EVEN JOIN THIS THREAD IF IT'S STUPID?MAVS FANS WHO JOINED THIS THREAD ARE STUPID!
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