"Stackhouse was a man."

[urunobili]

Exactly.

Now go die in a fire, Manny.

it is official for you too now... you have been

[Cry Havoc]

Dirk does not drive opposing players into the ground after boxing them out. Yes, he flops to exaggerate contact and get calls, so does 95% of the rest of the league. That's another discussion for another thread.

Yes. Because Manu's goal for the entire play was to put his back to Stackhouse on a box out, so he could be in good position to slam him to the ground.

How does THAT work, exactly? You ever tried to wrestle someone down while facing away from them?

Manu HAD the box out. He was in position for the board. Why the would he want to go backwards any farther than he already had, taking him out of the play? How the could you insinuate that Manu's intent was to initiate "excessive contact" with his ING BACK!? That is the weakest I've seen a Mavs fan bring to the board.

The sad thing is, if you're right, it means Manu's back is stronger than Stack's entire body, since Manu managed to take him down while not even looking at him. Hilarious. Absolutely freaking hilarious. Manu must be practicing some kind of drunken monkey er boxing that tells you how to disable someone while they aren't even within reach of your hands.

[Shank]

it is official for you too now... you have been

What does that even mean? Seriously - we're posting on an Internet forum. BFD.

[Shank]

Yes. Because Manu's goal for the entire play was to put his back to Stackhouse on a box out, so he could be in good position to slam him to the ground.

How does THAT work, exactly? You ever tried to wrestle someone down while facing away from them?

Manu HAD the box out. He was in position for the board. Why the would he want to go backwards any farther than he already had, taking him out of the play? How the could you insinuate that Manu's intent was to initiate "excessive contact" with his ING BACK!? That is the weakest I've seen a Mavs fan bring to the board.

The sad thing is, if you're right, it means Manu's back is stronger than Stack's entire body, since Manu managed to take him down while not even looking at him. Hilarious. Absolutely freaking hilarious. Manu must be practicing some kind of drunken monkey er boxing that tells you how to disable someone while they aren't even within reach of your hands.

"Into the Wild" was a pretty good film. I'm thinking of reading the book now.

[leemajors]

drunken monkey er boxing sounds like the . the only part i really had a problem with was trying to shove his neck in the ground.

[monosylab1k]

At least the reaction from most Spurs fans has tempered somewhat. It was a dirty play, for sure, but yesterday Aggie Hoops was trying to pin attempted murder on Stack.

[urunobili]

What does that even mean? Seriously - we're posting on an Internet forum. BFD.

oh 4 real? wow... i didn't realize that... thanks for your omnipresent knowledge oh lord! GTF outta here already suck up... if u still didn't get bored of justifying your team's cheap shots try visit the mavs forum to get more quorum

[Cry Havoc]

At least the reaction from most Spurs fans has tempered somewhat. It was a dirty play, for sure, but yesterday Aggie Hoops was trying to pin attempted murder on Stack.

I think he's a world-class nozzle, but what he did wasn't horrible. It was just incredibly petulant and stupid, and smacks of "I'm pissed we're losing so I'm going to go after someone to unleash my childish anger at them."

I mean, what happens if no one grabs Stack's arm? Does he actually follow through with that punch? I think Spurs fans are more upset at the -potential- of that action rather than what actually happened.

[O-Factor]

About the only Mav I respect is Dirk. Always classy in interviews.

Stack can go himself.

[Cry Havoc]

Seriously Mavs fans, what the would you lose if you traded away Terry and Stackhouse? An inconsistent 6th-man? A bomber who tends to disappear or have 1-12 shooting performances? Trade those guys, trade them now, or release them. Anything. Get a 2nd round draft pick for either of them and go after some character guys who don't have to assert their manhood with their fists and street cred.

[Whisky Dog]

@ Mavfans talking about a dirty boxout

I've taken much harder shots and more contact on boxouts playing HS and college ball than what Manu gave to stack. You keep playing and when it's you gaining inside position you throw a little extra into someone's ribs. It's all part of the game.

[Findog]

If you think we're so damned biased, why don't you just listen to how Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson describe it?

Mark Jackson said it was a dirty play (by Stack).

I have said the same thing here. What Stack did wasn't cool. He let Manu get inside his head and he lost his cool by lashing out.

Meanwhile, Van Gundy says it was just two NBA players being physical and that he didn't even believe that Manu should've been called with a foul.


So, who's being a homer here?

I'll just echo what I've already said and what Spurminator said, that Stack is th guiltier party but Manu is not an innocent angel in this exchange. You flail around and exhibit poor body control, and do it throughout your career, and drive guys into the ground after boxing them out, some of them are going to think it's intentional and take exception to it. Stack should've responded by getting in his face and having some words instead of using his head as a trampoline. I can condemn Stackhouse for what he did. Are you still going to insist that Manu is/was a perfect choir boy?

So, who's being the homer here?

[Harry Callahan]

Why would I have a Monday off? You have no idea what I do for a living.

I can bet what you do for a living does not involve basketball in any way shape or form.

So Ginobili (in your mind) deserved to be maimed to extent of Rudy T for his awful actions against Stackhouse? What a stupid comment.

You try to paint all Spurs fans in the same color as a group of people in section 114, who supposedly cheered Dirk's injury. That is really rational.

I, for one, am sorry about what happened to Dirk. He is an excellent player, who had an awkward fall. He is one of the few good guys in that lockeroom. Too many punks are in there, like Howard, Stackhouse, and the nut puncher.

What I am not sorry about, is seeing the window close on the Maverick's "Window of Opportunity" to win a championship in the near future. That is due to Maverick "Fans" such as yourself with your ignorant comments.

The entire Maverick's atmosphere has been poisoned by that owner. He has a limited shelf life. If Dallas wants to turn it around, Cuban needs to sell the team.

[Findog]

Yes. Because Manu's goal for the entire play was to put his back to Stackhouse on a box out, so he could be in good position to slam him to the ground.

How does THAT work, exactly? You ever tried to wrestle someone down while facing away from them?

Did you even watch the play? He'd already boxed him out and taken him out of the play. Then he used his elbow and arm to drive him to the ground. Insult Stack and call him a thug all you want, and he definitely overreacted, but you think Stackhouse blew his cool for no reason at all? Uh, okay, whatever you say.

[Findog]

Ipuncher.

What I am not sorry about, is seeing the window close on the Maverick's "Window of Opportunity" to win a championship in the near future. That is due to Maverick "Fans" such as yourself with your ignorant comments.
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So us posters on Spurstalk are responsible for whatever adversity or misfortune the Mavericks face now? That's a great, hard-hitting take. I can't speak for the others, but I'm not Donnie Nelson, Avery Johnson or Mark Cuban.

[Findog]

Seriously Mavs fans, what the would you lose if you traded away Terry and Stackhouse? .

What makes you think we're opposed to getting rid of them and their contracts? I'd welcome it.

[travis2]

Did you even watch the play? He'd already boxed him out and taken him out of the play. Then he used his elbow and arm to drive him to the ground. Insult Stack and call him a thug all you want, and he definitely overreacted, but you think Stackhouse blew his cool for no reason at all? Uh, okay, whatever you say.

Yeah, I saw the play. Got a question for you...how the do you DRIVE SOMEONE INTO THE GROUND when you are facing AWAY from your opponent with HIS ARM AROUND YOUR NECK?

You going to tell me that Manu magically managed to somehow levitate Stackhouse's arm and bring it around his own neck so he could maybe hold it with his chin?

There was NOTHING wrong with that box-out. There was EVERYTHING wrong with Stackhouse's tackle, aborted punch, and hand to the head.

[Findog]

Yeah, I saw the play. Got a question for you...how the do you DRIVE SOMEONE INTO THE GROUND when you are facing AWAY from your opponent with HIS ARM AROUND YOUR NECK?

What, Manu didn't know he was there? Manu was boxing out Invisible Man?

There was NOTHING wrong with that box-out.

Okay, homer. Manu is an angel that does no wrong.

[travis2]

Nice deflection. Now answer the question, .

[Whisky Dog]

Findog's game has suddenly started to mirror the actual Findog's game. Nonexistent and embarrasing.

[Harry Callahan]

So us posters on Spurstalk are responsible for whatever adversity or misfortune the Mavericks face now? That's a great, hard-hitting take. I can't speak for the others, but I'm not Donnie Nelson, Avery Johnson or Mark Cuban.

Spend a little more time reading my post before you post. Of course you are not responsible for the Maverick downfall. I am glad the Mavericks could be heading south very quickly, so posters like you may shut up and go away very soon.

[ChumpDumper]

Why would Manu drive Stack into the ground when he had boxed him out so thoroughly and completely.

Do mavfans know the purpose of boxing out?

[O-Factor]

Did you even watch the play? He'd already boxed him out and taken him out of the play. Then he used his elbow and arm to drive him to the ground. Insult Stack and call him a thug all you want, and he definitely overreacted, but you think Stackhouse blew his cool for no reason at all? Uh, okay, whatever you say.

Dude, you are being completely biased. Thats fine, the Mavs are your team. But its the paint, arms and elbows are everywhere.

But you are right Stack didn't blow his cool for no reason. Its frustrating and tough for teams to play a physical Spurs team. Thats why in 7 game series, no one wants to play us.

[Killakobe81]

Manu plays very hard no doubt about that ...dirty not sye i would say that but the Purs (as champions) do sem to get the benefit of the doubt on calls ALL championship level teams do ...so for this to change teams need to beat teh SPurs consistently and at for the past 4-5 years no ONe has been able to ...once they stop winning they will be called for a lot more of their phsyical defense ...

[Findog]

Nice deflection. Now answer the question, .

What was the question? Was it, "Did Manu flail his limbs about recklessly and exhibit poor body control, because that's part of his repertoire for getting under the skin of opposing players?" The answer is yes. Hey, I'd like to have a savvy player do that for my team, but I'm not going to put on blue and green glasses and play dumb when opposing players take exception to it.

Stackhouse was the guiltier party for reacting the way he did.