My World Series of Poker eperiemce:

[Heath Ledger]

Im not claiming to know it all, however I play poker just about every day whether cash games or tourneys(as i live here in Vegas) and with some pretty good success I must say. I may be wrong but Im pretty sure most of Mannys play is in online cash games, and even the tourneys online are a lot more agressive than in live tourneys. So while his advice MAY BE on par for online agressive play it is quite the opposite for live play.

[Cry Havoc]

Im not claiming to know it all, however I play poker just about every day whether cash games or tourneys(as i live here in Vegas) and with some pretty good success I must say. I may be wrong but Im pretty sure most of Mannys play is in online cash games, and even the tourneys online are a lot more agressive than in live tourneys. So while his advice MAY BE on par for online agressive play it is quite the opposite for live play.

That wholly depends on the player, too. If he's raising pre-flop, with the flop that actually came up on the board, you have no reason to assume he hit on anything except maybe the two hearts. The chances of picking up the 3rd Q there are very low.

I don't necessarily see this as a "right" or "wrong" decision. It's a spot call, a poker call, and basically his kings were pretty lethal unless the other player had pocket rockets or a pair of ladies in his hand.

Both decisions have their merit. I can't really see much criticism for calling OR folding in that place. That's when you strap your belt down and go with your gut.

I will say that if Jim wasn't prepared for his opponent to go all in when making his bet of 900, he shouldn't have pushed so hard. There ARE a lot over crazy-aggressive players out there so early. Some might have gone all in with rags (looking to buy an early pot when others are playing conservative) and still taken Jim down.

But it's in no way an obvious decision.

[Fabbs]

Jimcs50

Maybe the board was 223xx and you had 23 and he had 33, so he had bigger boat.

That has happened to me a few times....you do not need to cheat for that cooler to occur.

how does he have quads if you have a 3 in your hand?

Exactly. He had quad 3s yet i had 2/3.
Their ain't five 3s in a deck.

Mike Caro has a group that monitors cheating. I haven't contacted them yet, but even before this happened last night I've been wanting to. Not that this group could do anything about correcting the cheating. *The Gaming Commision*. Please. Those re s are most likely in on a lot of it.

I have no doubt (in my own mind) that cheating happens on a regular basis.

[brettn]

That wholly depends on the player, too. If he's raising pre-flop, with the flop that actually came up on the board, you have no reason to assume he hit on anything except maybe the two hearts. The chances of picking up the 3rd Q there are very low.

I don't necessarily see this as a "right" or "wrong" decision. It's a spot call, a poker call, and basically his kings were pretty lethal unless the other player had pocket rockets or a pair of ladies in his hand.

Both decisions have their merit. I can't really see much criticism for calling OR folding in that place. That's when you strap your belt down and go with your gut.

I will say that if Jim wasn't prepared for his opponent to go all in when making his bet of 900, he shouldn't have pushed so hard. There ARE a lot over crazy-aggressive players out there so early. Some might have gone all in with rags (looking to buy an early pot when others are playing conservative) and still taken Jim down.

But it's in no way an obvious decision.

Completely agree with this. You can argue all day whether a call or fold or is the right play here, but due to the lack of information available it becomes more of a gut play than anything. Factor in that this is a $1500 WSOP event and the decision becomes ever harder. It's easy for anyone to say that being in that sort of atmosphere wouldn't affect their play, but I'm sure it's a whole lot different when you're actually at the table and faced with this type of decision.

In other news, Mr. Phil Ivey made the November 9 yesterday, alongside fellow Pro and co-owner of Cardplayer, Jeff Shulman. Should be a really great final table come November.

[Jimcs50]

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I will say that if Jim wasn't prepared for his opponent to go all in when making his bet of 900, he shouldn't have pushed so hard. [/QUOTE]

This was a bet that I could get away from, I did not pot commit myself, I had wagered 1300 out of 4500, and needed to call 3200 more to win 9000, which was less than 3-1 on my call, and only hand that I was getting right price for where I was a dog on flop was A 3 hearts, where he had 14 outs twice.

I bet 900 to discourage any flush draws from calling, but it was small enough that I could fold if the situation arose.

Had I bet 2000 on flop, and he moved all in, then I would have been pot committed, as I would have had to put in 2100 to win 9000, so I would have been getting over 4-1 odds.

[SequSpur]

Noob come play poker with me anytime

Are you referring to me analysis paralysis? I am gaming tomorrow night.. where the are you?


Jim, dude, you folded Kings...it's okay...

[SequSpur]

Bells would have gone off in my head immediately as well, guy min raises under the gun, usually someone doing so has at the least AK or a big pair, Jim repops it, the guy smooth calls, I would smooth call if I had aces or queens, with aces as to not tip off the strength of my hand, with queens to see a flop and re-evaluate. It's the first orbit of the tourney, this is when donks overplay their hands and get knocked out early, or when solid players put all of their chips in with very solid hands. If I'm correct it was 2-4 hands into the tourney, so for Jim to figure out if this guy was one of the early donks or a solid player putting his chips in with a monster is a complete coin flip. its best to err on the side of caution. He is not crippled with $3200 chips remaining and hour long blind levels.

Tourneys are a game of patience, you do not want to call an all in early in a tourney with this blind strucutre holding only a pair. Period. You say not going all in on the flop is weak however in my opinion its overplaying the hand, especially with the min raise utg and smooth call. Its a really ty spot to be in early in a tourney but its only one hand and one you should be able to get away from in these tourneys without a whole lot of remorse, if you get outplayed happens. Usually early in a tourney someone making this play has a set or pocket aces. This wasn't the case unfortunately for Jim but theres quite the argument to fold in this situation a few hands into the tourney. Its not like you havent been bluffed off a hand before Manny, everyone has been. KK is a great starting hand but at the end of the day its a pair. Even if the guy has AK suited and you call you are just about flipping there and this early in the tourney flipping is not what you want to do.

That being said if you saw this guy out firing and buying pots in previous hands, instacall may come into play or instashove. My opinions are solely based on the info Jim has given us and a couple of hands in its very hard to have any kind of read on a player. And Jim has lost not quite a third of his stack in one hand, so what, Ive come back from much shorter stacks and won or cashed in tourneys. If its the $65 tourey at the Sahara, Im probably gonna get all my chips in and rebuy if I bust but this was a whole other can of worms.

Why can't you just admit that the all in call was the right thing to do? He would've ing doubled up. You analyze to much. dude...

You probably wouldn't make it past the first day in that tourney. I love your types... analyze the game, while off shoots like me, destroy your ass.

[Cry Havoc]

I will say that if Jim wasn't prepared for his opponent to go all in when making his bet of 900, he shouldn't have pushed so hard.

This was a bet that I could get away from, I did not pot commit myself, I had wagered 1300 out of 4500, and needed to call 3200 more to win 9000, which was less than 3-1 on my call, and only hand that I was getting right price for where I was a dog on flop was A 3 hearts, where he had 14 outs twice.

I bet 900 to discourage any flush draws from calling, but it was small enough that I could fold if the situation arose.

Had I bet 2000 on flop, and he moved all in, then I would have been pot committed, as I would have had to put in 2100 to win 9000, so I would have been getting over 4-1 odds.

And yet you went on tilt after that hand....

I mean no offense, I just think that part is kinda funny. Sorry to be laughing at your beat.

[Jimcs50]

In other news, Mr. Phil Ivey made the November 9 yesterday, alongside fellow Pro and co-owner of Cardplayer, Jeff Shulman. Should be a really great final table come November.

Oh wow, I did not realize that Jordan Smith was last guy eliminated before November 9. I know him. He is best friends with a good friend of mine, Jimmy Caldwell, who I play poker with a lot.Jordan already won a bracelet this year in the $2000 buy in NL holdem event on June 18th. He had already won a WPT tourney a couple of years ago too. He is an awesome player.

He had AA cracked by chip leader Darvin Moon to get eliminated after being 3rd chip leader with 10 players left. Darvin had 88 and floped a set, and Jordan got it all in on flop. Had Jordan's aces held up, he would have been 2nd chip leader only a million behind 1st.

He called my friend Jimmy right afterwards and was pretty bummed. Not only did he miss the November 9, but all those guys make a ton of endorsement money from FTP in the next couple of months.

[Jimcs50]

And yet you went on tilt after that hand....

I mean no offense, I just think that part is kinda funny. Sorry to be laughing at your beat.

Yeah, I might as well have called if I would go on Tilt after that. But in my defense, I did not think he had JJ, so if he showed AQ or AK hearts, I could have felt a little better because I could have convinced myself that he would have won on turn or river anyway. But with JJ, I know I was as good as doubled up had I called.

[Heath Ledger]

Why can't you just admit that the all in call was the right thing to do? He would've ing doubled up. You analyze to much. dude...

You probably wouldn't make it past the first day in that tourney. I love your types... analyze the game, while off shoots like me, destroy your ass.

Lolz dip I've got about 17k in tourney cashes (live play)this year alone with 5 cashes in my last 11 tourneys

Last year I had 29k in tourney cashes between live play and Internet play so get your ass over here and back up your words cash games or tourneys it makes no difference when you play 30 to 60 hours a week you learn a thing or two

[Heath Ledger]

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[SequSpur]

Lolz dip I've got about 17k in tourney cashes (live play)this year alone with 5 cashes in my last 11 tourneys

Last year I had 29k in tourney cashes between live play and Internet play so get your ass over here and back up your words cash games or tourneys it makes no difference when you play 30 to 60 hits a week you learn a thing or two

WGAF.

How much did you lose? What are you a kid or something? How many WWJD bracelets did you win?

lmao

[Heath Ledger]

Great rebuttal. What are you a kid or something?

[Jimcs50]

Great rebuttal. What are you a kid or something?

Is that the amount of money he'd be saving if he switched to Geico?

[MannyIsGod]

I dont think i've seen such a false statement in my life. Blind structures and starting chip stacks totally play a part in certain decisions in tourneys.

Im guessing your poker prowess is mostly online with all of the gunslingers.

How big a tourney has nothing to do with the blind structure or how many orbits you have before you start getting chipped away. I don't make decisions based on whether I'm playing online, at Kori's table, or at a tourney at the WSOP. I make them based on the situation.

You've basically with anything less than a set on that you're not getting it all in on the flop. I think thats weak tight as . I gave you a huge range of hands you are ahead of and you can think of 2 that you're behind. 2 whole hands. I understand you're scared by the minraise, but the minraise isn't that scary.

[MannyIsGod]

If its the $65 tourey at the Sahara, Im probably gonna get all my chips in and rebuy if I bust but this was a whole other can of worms.

Kinda funny you called out my statement because I honestly feel this statement is one of the worst possible from a poker player. Don't play emotionally. Play rationally.

[MannyIsGod]

I will say this - my more aggressive style will bust me out more often early in tournaments. But it will also have me with larger stacks when I head into the money and stacks are power. I'd much rather have more early bust outs because I'm confident when I do make the money I'm going to go deeper with a more aggressive style. Playing hours of tournament poker to cash out just after the bubble is worthless, IMO>

[pkbpkb81]

I will say this - my more aggressive style will bust me out more often early in tournaments. But it will also have me with larger stacks when I head into the money and stacks are power. I'd much rather have more early bust outs because I'm confident when I do make the money I'm going to go deeper with a more aggressive style. Playing hours of tournament poker to cash out just after the bubble is worthless, IMO>

i like playing with people like you becuse i play a little tight and am able to pick of big pots from that type of player, also i have seen a lot of aggressive types get a large stack only to piss it away becuse they go too over the top
you have to have a good mix imo

[Cry Havoc]

i like playing with people like you becuse i play a little tight and am able to pick of big pots from that type of player, also i have seen a lot of aggressive types get a large stack only to piss it away becuse they go too over the top
you have to have a good mix imo

That's why good, experienced aggressive players shift gears on you without warning and you think they're betting on a pair of 10s and they're sitting on an Ace-high flush. So you push in against them a few hands and they muck, and then take 3/4ths of your stack the next hand.

[Heath Ledger]

A decent night again at imperial palace walked away up 772 god I love tourists not bad for a 3.5 hour session.

[Jimcs50]

A decent night again at imperial palace walked away up 772 god I love tourists not bad for a 3.5 hour session.

I dropped a lot of cash as a tourist that weekend with aces. Had AA cracked 5 out of 5 hands for a total of $2400.00.

Only twice did I get all my money in being ahead, but in all three cases, nobody folds there.

1-2 NL cash game at Harrahs: Got is all in preflop twice against KK and JJ, and both times, the ers ed their sets on turn. Net loss= $650

2-5 NL cash game at Rio: Had AA, made it 20 straight preflop, 3 callers.
Flop: A K Q two spades, bet $50, got raised to $125, pushed all in, got snap called, of course, he has 10 J. Board does not pair. Loss: $400

2-5 NL cash game at Rio: Had AA, I reraise a $15 raise, and 2 callers to $75.00, get 1 caller.
Flop: A 7 7 . Check check, turn is face card, I bet $100, get raised to $250, I push my last $500 in, get snap called. He had 77 for quads. No ace on river. Net loss $675.


Now sickest loss ever for me:

2-5 NL cash game at Venetian: Had AA, raise in front of me to $15, I make it $60 to go, get 2 callers.

Flop :J 8 2 I bet $85, get one caller. Turn: K. I bet $125, he calls again. I'm thinking now that maybe he has KJ, and just sucked out on my aces, since my aces have been getting hammered all weekend. So now in my head before river is dealt, I call for a 2 on river to conterfeit the er. River: 2

I feel like I am vindicated, like I am now back on my game and I am getting this ers chips. He checks, I bet $200, he pushes all in, I call my last $200, and what does he have???

The donkey had 7 2.

He called $60 preflop with 72, he called 2 streets with bottom pair for $210.

I called for the card that beat me, which makes it even sicker.

Net loss: $650


The worst part is after I see what he had, I am sitting there with my last $200 still in front of me. I have this incredulous look on my face, and I say
that that was the worst beat that I ever had in my poker playing life. Then he starts yelling : ship it, ship it, ship it!!"

What a total .

[Cry Havoc]

I dropped a lot of cash as a tourist that weekend with aces. Had AA cracked 5 out of 5 hands for a total of $2400.00.

Only twice did I get all my money in being ahead, but in all three cases, nobody folds there.

1-2 NL cash game at Harrahs: Got is all in preflop twice against KK and JJ, and both times, the ers ed their sets on turn. Net loss= $650

2-5 NL cash game at Rio: Had AA, made it 20 straight preflop, 3 callers.
Flop: A K Q two spades, bet $50, got raised to $125, pushed all in, got snap called, of course, he has 10 J. Board does not pair. Loss: $400

2-5 NL cash game at Rio: Had AA, I reraise a $15 raise, and 2 callers to $75.00, get 1 caller.
Flop: A 7 7 . Check check, turn is face card, I bet $100, get raised to $250, I push my last $500 in, get snap called. He had 77 for quads. No ace on river. Net loss $675.


Now sickest loss ever for me:

2-5 NL cash game at Venetian: Had AA, raise in front of me to $15, I make it $60 to go, get 2 callers.

Flop :J 8 2 I bet $85, get one caller. Turn: K. I bet $125, he calls again. I'm thinking now that maybe he has KJ, and just sucked out on my aces, since my aces have been getting hammered all weekend. So now in my head before river is dealt, I call for a 2 on river to conterfeit the er. River: 2

I feel like I am vindicated, like I am now back on my game and I am getting this ers chips. He checks, I bet $200, he pushes all in, I call my last $200, and what does he have???

The donkey had 7 2.

He called $60 preflop with 72, he called 2 streets with bottom pair for $210.

I called for the card that beat me, which makes it even sicker.

Net loss: $650


The worst part is after I see what he had, I am sitting there with my last $200 still in front of me. I have this incredulous look on my face, and I say
that that was the worst beat that I ever had in my poker playing life. Then he starts yelling : ship it, ship it, ship it!!"

What a total .

Ouch. I have nothing else to say to that.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Lolz dip I've got about 17k in tourney cashes (live play)this year alone with 5 cashes in my last 11 tourneys

Last year I had 29k in tourney cashes between live play and Internet play so get your ass over here and back up your words cash games or tourneys it makes no difference when you play 30 to 60 hours a week you learn a thing or two

Hey dude whats the max you ever loss on one evening out? or winning on one evening out?

max i won = 3.5k
max loss = 200

my mom and her friends went interstate a few weeks ago, they won +20k bought herself a LV bag instead of receiving free cash from them...the next night she flew home, some of them stayed till the next day loss 50k...she usually gets free money every time they win each hand or even plane tickets to overseas...free flights, hotel bookings, who wouldnt wanna go and see something new interstate...

one time i was in the high roller room some stupid intern indian student won 200k playin baccarat only to lose it all the next night...some ppl just dont know when to stop

stop going to the casinos since yr2002....

[Jimcs50]

Hey dude whats the max you ever loss on one evening out? or winning on one evening out?

max i won = 3.5k
max loss = 200

....

Most I've won: $6400 ($ 200 buy in tourney, 1st place)

Max loss: $1200 cash game