I just don't think it's that simple...
If Pruitt is there at #28 and Fernandez/Belinelli are gone, I think the Spurs would look at him. If they take him, then that would shift #33 to a likely foreign player, such as Fesenko or Barac or Gasol.
Also, drafting a G/F either at #28 (Almond/Byars) or #33 (Afflalo/Dudley) has ramifications for James White, who I'm not sure that they've seen enough of to make a determination of whether he should stay. After all, keeping White AND whatever domestic G/F they take while having Manu, Finley, Barry, and Bowen still on the roster doesn't make much sense.
If the Spurs draft a domestic SF/SG....White should not panic.
White as far as I am concerned is far more polished and ready to play in the Spurs system then anyone they can draft right now.
White has proven himself to Coach Pop and the Spurs organization, and I fully expect him to be at camp and make the opening day roster. Plus, maybe get about 10-15 minutes max this year.
There are only 15 roster spots, and to spend a precious 2 of them with players that play the same position isn't so likely. I see what you mean by stating that Bowen, Finley, and Barry are all much older and more importantly are in the last year of their contracts...but I'm just not sure that both White and whatever domestic G/F is picked are carried on the roster next season.
If they do draft a guy, maybe they know that Finley will opt out, or maybe they plan to deal Barry...but again it seems unlikely that they would carry Manu, Finley, Barry, Bowen, White, AND "domestic G/F" at the same time...
I guess I'm overstating it....they probably could carry all 6, I just know that they didn't last year.
But if I were White and the Spurs drafted Morris Almond with the #28 pick, giving him guaranteed money....I'd be nervous
exactly what i think if a player they are very high on, fall to the no.28 pick they will take it IMO and adjust the roster after but we'll see i can be wrong but trading barry or seeing finley opting out can allow another roster sport at the wing
but like you said they could have 6 wing players in the roster , one will not play and the other a little bit
Here's the other thing though....
It certainly looks as if the Spurs are intent on grabbing a domestic PG, be it Pruitt or Dowdell, with one of these picks. Would the Spurs really draft TWO domestic players and give one of those guys a guaranteed multi-year deal?
BTW, I do know that looks can be deceiving, especially when it comes to the Spurs draft (
That's the question , with the workouts i saw that they are high on a guy like dowdell , they will workout a lot of others domestic pg's like sessions , pruitt ... IMO they will take a domestic PG with the no.33 pick
they could pick another domestic player with the first pick but the spurs always surprise me during drafts maybe it will depends on the workout they have with guys like almond, afflalo.... or with who is still available with their pick (Bellinelli ?? Byars ...)
Also they can take a big , it depends on mahinmi , scola , oberto situations this summer.....
Yeah, the Spurs could go with Belinelli or Fernandez at 28 instead of the big. However, it just doesn't seem like the Spurs are aiming to do that. Their workouts seem to be players who could slip to 33 instead of players who are going to be at 28. Almond is probably the highest rated player they've worked out that we know ... but even he could possibly drop to the second round a la Michael Redd.
If the Spurs were working out Byars and Cook who could somehow fall to 28 but won't fall to 33, that'd be a different story.
Maybe I'm reading into it too much, but to me it seems like the Spurs know what they are doing with 28. Whether it's a promise or a trade, I'm not sure.
If it's a promise, I don't think it can be Fernandez (he'll probably be gone) or Belinelli (he wouldn't be working out if he had a Spurs promise). If it's a promise, it's probably someone like Stanko, Fesenko or Gasol.
That's a good question. I guess it depends on their view of James White. If they see White as a borderline prospect, they might draft a wing to give him compe ion. If they see him as having a good future, they might go international again.
But I don't think Koponen is their guy at 28. He's working out for teams that pick before and after the Spurs, so I highly doubt there's a promise.
For those who hope the Spurs don't have a promise at 28, remember what happened the last time the Spurs didn't have a promise?
They picked Chris Carrawell over Michael Redd. And they did so even though they didn't even bring Carrawell in for a workout.
Yeah it's somewhat frustrating that the Spurs always seem to reach (sometimes BIG <<cough Mahinmi cough>>) for players that they're almost positive will be there when they pick rather than banking on hypotheticals for players that were slated to go higher but fell for one reason or another.
Basically it seems like they're one of those teams that contributes to a player's freefall because they didn't expect him to be there, hadn't done their homework on the player, and had sort of told someone else that they would look hard at them if they were at that spot.
So, as much as it frustrates me, I could totally see the Spurs go with Dowdell/Pruitt and Fesenko/Stanko even if Fernandez/Belinelli/Byars/Almond fell to them...
Side Note: I hope it's not Koponen with either pick, and rather Pruitt or Dowdell. I want to see a player come in and challenge Vaughn (or FA PG) for minutes behind Tony and I don't see Koponen as ready for that, or to be on an NBA roster for that matter, as of yet.
What do you make of the supposed Pruitt promise? I understand that he's continuing to work out for teams, but do you think it could've been more like this...For those who hope the Spurs don't have a promise at 28, remember what happened the last time the Spurs didn't have a promise?
They picked Chris Carrawell over Michael Redd. And they did so even though they didn't even bring Carrawell in for a workout.
"We're still in the process of working players out and are still keeping our options open, but if you're there at #28 we'll strongly consider you"
Whaddya think? It's not exactly a promise...but it's better than Chris Carrawell.
It could be something like that. Although a weak promise like that would probably do more harm than good. In such a scenario, Pruitt's agent can go around telling teams that the Spurs will pick Pruitt at 28 unless they trade up and get him.
The only way a promise really makes sense is if the Spurs agree not to pick anyone else and the player agrees to disappear until after the draft.
They might have told Pruitt that they liked him but will look at players like Dowdell, Sessions and Green.
6 more days and all of our questions will be answered.
I just want to go to sleep and wake up on Thursday.
Agreed. The only time I enjoy more than mid June in odd numbered years is in late June when we get to oggle all of the potential "future Spurs superstars". But as much as I enjoy it, the suspense is too much and I just want to know the answer now!
Can't wait...
And as I told my wife at dinner tonight...while I rambled on and she lovingly listened so intently despite being mostly disinterested
I say "almost" because I'm praying that the Spurs don't trade away either pick, because that would piss me off....something is better than nothing.
More Hoopsanalyst evaluations - PF's this time:
http://www.hoopsanalyst.com/0607ew11.htm
In particular, Fazekas sticks out; according to most mocks he will be in the vicinity or later than #28, and maybe later than #33 ...
Also, a couple of quick questions about draft pick valuation:
A) Would you trade Scola's rights For a 1st round pick, to a team that might be in win now mode? to the Pistons for #27? To the Rockets (#26)? The Lakers (#19)? The Nets (#17)
B) Would you trade down from #33 to move Beno? Consider something like
SA trades Beno, #33
LAC trades Singleton, Conroy, #44
With an understanding that Conroy will be released from his non-guaranteed contract to resign with the clippers (I believe that they were happy with him last year...It's why his contract includes this year; when they had to lock their roster last year, they offered him more than just the remainder of that year)
Not sure I would trade up unless I was certain that a player in the late teens early twenties just wasn't going to fall and I HAD to have him. Also, I'm not sure about trading up to grab an extra pick when the Spurs are already short on roster spots. So, no I'm not sure I would...and more to the point, it doesn't seem like the Spurs are looking to do so either. As timvp said, it seems like the Spurs are showing interest in and working out prospects that will most assuredly be there at pick #28 and #33.
Sounds like my house. Except my wife is a Knicks lifer. She likes the Spurs but wishes I weren't obsessed.
I don't get the 'trade down to get rid of Beno' scenario. Udrih is worth more or equal to Singleton and Conroy is worth nothing. Udrih only makes $1.7M for one year, which isn't worth trading down to shed.
Trading Scola outright for a pick, as others have said, isn't that great since we're hurting for roster spots. I would advocate trading up with Scola, but only if the situation is right.
Man, I take a day and a half off from this thread and I have pages of catching up to do. It's been a great one, though. Keep up the good work everybody - there's still a week left!
Ouch...
Nah, I can't complain because she is a Spurs fan (converted from Mav fan b/c she lived in the DFW area all her life..but obviously wasn't a Mav lifer) and will watch alot of the games with me.
Obviously she thinks I'm obsessed, and staying up until 1 this morning probably didn't help my cause (
Being the spurs only have limited spaces on the roster this year, I think they should start rebuilding towards 08/09 in this draft. This has been touted as one of the deepest drafts in 10-15 years by some analyst! My first move would be to trade the rights of luis scola to the seattle supersonics for their 2 second round draft picks. Reason being, supersonics need leadership from a vet( considered one of the best outside of the U.S) and we could use the picks for developement player(s). This is how I have it figured:
pick 28 sean williams boston college
pick 31 jared dudley
pick 33 gasol
pick 35 gabe pruitt or best pg available
pick 58 international project
Finley leaves - Dudley
gasol - Leave overseas(saved roster spot this year)
sean williams - Potential man child with some of pops tough love(a year to develope)
gabe pruitt - 3rd string point guard behind tony and chucky atkins or jaque
project is just that ...... a project!
trade brent barry and beno for andres nocioni and filler.(pipe dream maybe but who knows)
Roster will look like this:
tony
manu
bruce
tim
oberto ( shouldn't be opting out; most effective in san antonio)
jackie butler
james white
robert horry
andres nocioni
francisco elson
chucky atkins
sean williams
gabe and dudley- austin toros nbdl (our minor leagues)
gasol stay overseas (one year)
08/09
tony
manu
nocioni
tim
butler
white
pruitt
dudley
mihamini (however yu spell his name)
williams
gasol
back up point #3rd string
Sean Williams is a tool, a headcase, doesn't care about basketball, and is highly overrated as a prospect. The Spurs would never take him.
i think so the spurs will not take a man like williams , if the teams take a big they could take someone like fazekas , gray , visser or someting like that but that means there will be some roster post available wich depends on scola , mahinmi situations....
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