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what happened to the house?
Exactly....its like the guy I saw on CNN with one bottle of water but 3 Deuce McCallister jerseys. And then there are the ones who steal the stuff...then try to sell it back to others. WTF??Thing that gets me is that those looters are taking things that they dont really need or cant use right now. I cant say if I was stuck there that I would not loot, but for food, clothes and things to keep me and my family alive. These ers are taking guns, clothes, shoes and bull .
what happened to the house?
Just 3 weeks ago, I was in Biloxi.SAD!!!!
But do you think the diseases and other longterm effects will be as severe? A lot of the efforts in Asia were meant to attack Malaria and other extreme ecosystem changes, not just the shortterm effects.The death toll won't be as high as the tsunami, but it's not going to be dwarfed by it either.
We re-built it.
my religion goes into disaster areas and rebuilds our own buildings and everyones houses and often times the neighbors houses too... it's all pure volunteer work, noone gets paid.
we re-did 5 of my neighbors houses too.
actually as far as I know there is still about 4 tractor trailers full of in-kind donations left over from the Houston flooding .. guess we'll be shipping that out to LA now....
It's stupid for other countries that are right up there in terms of powerful and wealthy to come to our aid? Canada, Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia...all those places have the means to help us. It just doesn't seem like anyone is stepping up right now.
that's true. The donations will come pouring in (by Americans, not others), but that's the next step. Right now it's just major physical labor and rolling up sleeves that needs to be done (and is being done). One thing that I thought was a little distasteful was the way various nations turned Tsunami aid into a compe ion. It was like they were just throwing out new pledges every hour to 'top' the other nation and show how morally superior they were. If you read many international (especially British) message boards at the time, people got very, very petty and snide ... constantly comparing what nations gave per GDP and per capita and then calling Americans stingy compared to the rest of the world. While all these people were sniping at us for being stingy, our navy was busting ass in Indonesia and providing more actual relief than the rest of the world combined. There is always time for telethons later, but when entire populations are drowning, people need to get theirs asses over there and help out. And the thing is, most of these nations "pledges" are just that. The international community was similarly self-congratulatory over their "aid" to the victims of the Iranian earthquake in 2003, but less than 20% of that aid ever materialized.
I'm just curious, how the do you inspect a levee that's underwater?The city first began to experience rising water in the streets around 9PM Monday night - 12 hours after the eye had passed. And if the COE's view is correct, and that wave action gradually eroded away parts of the levee, ultimately leading to the breach -- then it's hard not to conclude that a thorough inspection of the levee earlier in the day would of detected the developing problem -- and may have enabled repairs to be made to prevent what has in fact turned into the 'worst case scenario'. To me, sitting far away, without all the information I'm sure, this does look like the levee breach may have been avoidable.
Send divers down in the debris field?
They said last night on the news that the water eroded the earthen base of the levee from inside the city.
Those that were around for the huge SA July 4th flood remember I think it was Medina Dam where they were talking about the same thing happening there.
There's not a whole of a lot they could have done about this, it's not like the area was accessible by any means other than air and jet ski. New Orleans has miles and miles of levees (the most extensive levee system in the world).
By the time anyone would have found a problem it would have been breached already.
But I just want this Monday morning QB that said this to explain how the you "inspect" something under 8 feet of water.
It is sad. Tremendously sad.
We need all the help we can get. If that involves France sending over two bidets and a case of Evian, that's more than we had before and we oughta be grateful.
Manny, I guess I could buy your argument when it comes to finances and resources.
But I haven't even seen so much as a "gee, that really sucks" out of anyone at the UN. them. It's times like these when you find out who your real friends are.
Contrast what Gov. Perry just said versus the silence from the wannabe three (Germany, France, Russia). 'Nuff said.
To be fair, he went to great lengths to point out he didn't have all of the info. But also, you can inspect them from above as well. They may not have noticed anything, but they might have.
Good point. My question is though, Weren't these levees checked regularly anyway to try and find a potential problem before it happens?I'm just curious, how the do you inspect a levee that's underwater?
Send divers down in the debris field?
They said last night on the news that the water eroded the earthen base of the levee from inside the city.
Those that were around for the huge SA July 4th flood remember I think it was Medina Dam where they were talking about the same thing happening there.
There's not a whole of a lot they could have done about this, it's not like the area was accessible by any means other than air and jet ski. New Orleans has miles and miles of levees (the most extensive levee system in the world).
By the time anyone would have found a problem it would have been breached already.
But I just want this Monday morning QB that said this to explain how the you "inspect" something under 8 feet of water.
its sorry when the Dictator from Venezuela someone that was not so long ago threatened by Pat Robertson to be "dealt"with is the first to respond.
One big problem is that the interior face of the levy (the side towards NO) isn't designed to retain/hold water. With all the water piling up inside the levy system, erosion and wear is going to be increased along the interior faces weakening the entire structure.
Think of it like this. You have a a pile of dirt in the shape of a wedge. Scrape the top of the wedge and you don't really do anything to it. Now, scrape dirt away from the backside of the wedge and the top will start to crumble and fall upon itself.
The story yesterday was that water from the lake was *over the top* of the levee, pouring in, until the point that the levee broke.But also, you can inspect them from above as well. They may not have noticed anything, but they might have
So, from above, about all they could say is the levee is underwater, and pray it at least held up (which it didn't).
And I think the Corps of Engineers pretty much knew what would happen to any of those levees with water pouring over the top - the water would erode the earthen backing of the levee until it caved.
No conspiracies, and not rocket science.
What exactly can they do right now?
You guys don't understand that our ability to react worldwide because of our military is 100 times greater than the next closest country. Britian may have the second best ability to do that during peace time, but not during an Iraq war.
If you guys don't think there will be organizations from Europe and elsewhere helping out eventually, you don't have a clue.
Also, getting them invovled would just be a cluster . I'm almost sure if they offered to help the government woudl turn them away. Have you guys seen the disorganization simply between OUR OWN PEOPLE?
Throw in other people who speak different languages and don't know the area, what do you think would happen?
Blanco's about to start her news conference on WWL.
I tried looking for reponses, but I haven't seen any. I'm not convinved the heads of state haven't said anything because they might not have gotten extensive media coverage.
The world reacted incredibly after 9/11. Why woudln't they now?
The levees did not have water going over the top.
Would there have been signs such as cracking to point out this was occuring?
you mean her Sighing, Sniffling, Shoulder Shrugging conference?
1. The 'looting' angle is getting more stupid by the second. I don't know what people don't understand. These people have nothing. Before the hurricane hit, New Orleans was probably the poorest major city in the US. Now those people have lost EVERYTHING. But yet some people can sit on their freakin' couch eating potato chips and drinking soda and scoff at people for trying to survive? Buy a clue. I don't care what they are 'looting'. They are in survival mode. Imagine having nothing for a second. No where to go. The clothes on your back are the only thing you have. You haven't heard from family and friends. WTF are you going to do? Sit there and starve on the streets in your wet clothes? no, you are going to do what you have to do to survive. If that means 'stealing' food or even 'stealing' clothes, TVs, valuables, whatever ... you are going to do it.
People really need some perspective. It's as if people expect them to walk to the local ATM machine, withdraw some money, order pizza and go buy some new clothes ... all the while shedding a tear for Best Buy because someone took a TV.
It's astoundingly stupid.
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2. WTF cares what other countries give? The US will survive if it doesn't get a dime. Any gift right now will most likely come with strings attached. It's another non-issue that people are hung up on. Whatever other countries give is just a drop of water in the ocean of what the US can provide for itself.
Yeah, she surely hasnt' seen enough death and destruction to let that go. Stupid governor!
11:49 A.M. - (AP) AUSTIN, Texas -- Texas is opening its doors to hurricane refugees from neighboring Louisiana.
Texas Governor Rick Perry says he expects evacuees to start arriving within the next 24 hours at the Houston Astrodome. He says Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco asked him this morning if the Astrodome could house the 23-thousand people currently being sheltered at the Superdome in Louisiana, and he quickly agreed. He says even before the request, Texas officials had been talking about using the Astrodome as a long-term shelter for people already stranded in Texas because of the storm.
Perry says the hurricane survivors are welcome in Texas for "as long as they want to stay." Children who are sheltered at the Astrodome will be able to attend public schools in Houston. Perry says the Astrodome schedule has been cleared through December.
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