Smoking ban extended to bars and pool halls in Corpus Christi

[mouse]

Funny they let you smoke in Vegas casinos I don't see anyone complaining.

At the same time i believe the Goverment and city leaders need to stay out of a persons bussiness. They have a sign thats reads this is a non smoking place for a reason. If you don't like smoke go eat at Denny's but leave Joe's Diner alone.

Telling people not to smoke is like telling people to take down Christmas decorations.... Oh !... they do that already.

[SpursWoman]

Funny ... since I quit smoking I very rarely, if ever, go to bars because the medication I used to help me quit still makes me viciously nauseated by cigarette smoke. I don't really mind that because I pretty much outgrew hanging out at bars.

But we ended up having to leave Retama Park early the last time I was there a couple of weeks ago because there was NOWHERE to go to avoid the smoke ... which was so thick you could barely breathe, inside an out.

That sucked.

But I know ... I should just open my own Retama Park.

[Blake]

I'm so sure if your next door neighbor decides to raise hogs after about a month of waking up to pig every morning you would be the first to .

If you don't like it then move.

[BacktoBasics]

dumb post.

There are absolutely no rules regarding what goes on in your home.

There are a lot of reasons why there are laws regarding public places: so business owners can't do whatever the they want in their own business.

There are just as many rules in the home as there are a business. Its still private property and the business owner has decided to make it open to the public. You fail to understand this. Its not public property its private property opened to the public. They can do whatever they want in their own private business property as long as its within the law just like a home and that should include smoking in it if they so desire so long as if you're open to the public the smoking is only permited when an adult can choose to or not choose to be exposed. Nothing is forced.

It that ing simple. Its just as much private property as owning a home.

There is a difference between a restaurant that allows minors who can't choose to be exposed to smoke and a bar who allows only adults who can choose to not enter.

[Blake]

Funny ... since I quit smoking I very rarely, if ever, go to bars because the medication I used to help me quit still makes me viciously nauseated by cigarette smoke. I don't really mind that because I pretty much outgrew hanging out at bars.

But we ended up having to leave Retama Park early the last time I was there a couple of weeks ago because there was NOWHERE to go to avoid the smoke ... which was so thick you could barely breathe, inside an out.

That sucked.

But I know ... I should just open my own Retama Park.

yeah, we were there a few weeks back for 50 cent Friday (which is bull and another thread onto itself) and it was freezing outside.

...but it was either a) freeze ass off outside b) hang out upstairs where it was warm with the smokers c) just not go

but hey, let's not infringe on someone's right to smoke in a building.

[BacktoBasics]

Funny ... since I quit smoking I very rarely, if ever, go to bars because the medication I used to help me quit still makes me viciously nauseated by cigarette smoke. I don't really mind that because I pretty much outgrew hanging out at bars.

But we ended up having to leave Retama Park early the last time I was there a couple of weeks ago because there was NOWHERE to go to avoid the smoke ... which was so thick you could barely breathe, inside an out.

That sucked.

But I know ... I should just open my own Retama Park.

Even in an open area I think if minors are present I'm willing to listen to a smoke ban.

I even said much earlier in this thread to go ahead and ban smoking on sidewalks if you so desire just don't push laws on private property where it doesn't affect minors who have no choice.

[mouse]

Another thing I hate when i go to a bar and people talk real loud. I should be able to drink in peace. They need to tell people if your going to talk do it outside.

you see a pattern forming here? soon they will outlaw Mullets in public places and then where will Pooh eat?

[BacktoBasics]

yeah, we were there a few weeks back for 50 cent Friday (which is bull and another thread onto itself) and it was freezing outside.

...but it was either a) freeze ass off outside b) hang out upstairs where it was warm with the smokers c) just not go

but hey, let's not infringe on someone's right to smoke in a building.

Read my other post. Wanna ban smoking outside in public then fine I'm willing to listen. If its a private building and adults only then back to letting the business owner decide how he wants to run the business. Kids are allowed in Retama aren't they? Then no smoking. We agree.

[Blake]

There are just as many rules in the home as there are a business.

that are regulated by the government? Not even close, bud.
Last I checked, you don't need a C. of O. or proper permits or routine health dept inspections for residential property

Its still private property and the business owner has decided to make it open to the public. You fail to understand this. Its not public property its private property opened to the public. They can do whatever they want in their own private business property as long as its within the law just like a home and that should include smoking in it if they so desire so long as if you're open to the public the smoking is only permited when an adult can choose to or not choose to be exposed. Nothing is forced.

I still fail to see how this is an age issue for you. If it's nothing more than just a nuisance, then what's the big deal with having kids around it.

Is it or isn't it a health concern?

It that ing simple. Its just as much private property as owning a home.

No, it's really not. You apparently don't have a clue.

There is a difference between a restaurant that allows minors who can't choose to be exposed to smoke and a bar who allows only adults who can choose to not enter.

round and round.

agree to disagree while sitting at a smoke free bar in the very near future.

[GoGatos.]

you see a pattern forming here?
soon they will outlaw Mullets in public places and then where will Pooh eat?

[Little Smokey]

Kids are allowed in Retama aren't they? Then no smoking.

you !

[BacktoBasics]

that are regulated by the government? Not even close, bud.
Last I checked, you don't need a C. of O. or proper permits or routine health dept inspections for residential property

I don't know what you want to hear. Owning the business is still private property. Yes it has to run within certain parameters when serving the public. I own two acres and I have to get permits for my septic and well. Doesn't mean its not my private property.


I still fail to see how this is an age issue for you. If it's nothing more than just a nuisance, then what's the big deal with having kids around it.

Is it or isn't it a health concern?

I never once ing said it wasn't bad for you. Never once. You're really really dumb. Its an age issue because a minor at the age of 4 cannot choose for him/herself to not enter into a restaurant with their parents that allows smoking. We must protect those who cannot choose for themselves and protect the rights of others who are adults to choose freely. Age is associated with the ability to choose. As a minor you often do not have the ability to decide things for yourself. So if an adult chooses to expose himself then so be it you do not have the right to choose for him anymore than you having the right to control the amount alcohol he consumes. You can only control the drunks ability to operate in a fashion that causes destruction to others. You have no right to control 50 adults choosing to walk into a smoke filled bar anymore than you have the right to regulate what they consume and how much. The bar owner does. The bar owner cuts them off and the law is supposed to stop them from driving. You have no right to tell these people that they can't get faced drunk and have a sober friend take them home anymore than you can tell them they can't enter a smoke filled bar because its a health concern.

Its not your place to make the decision for them. If you don't want to be around the smoke then don't. You have that ability.





No, it's really not. You apparently don't have a clue.


Its still private property. I can open a restaurant and put a sign up front that says private property do not enter.


round and round.

agree to disagree while sitting at a smoke free bar in the very near future.


again you're wrong. A minor has no choice at the restaurant. He/she is forced there by the parents. They have the right to clean air. The guy who chooses to enter the bar under his own free will has the right only to choose to enter or not.

[Hermey]

What I can't stand is when I have to go to the mens room to take a . WTF? Why can't i just take a right there at the bar? I have my own bucket! I hate people telling me where I can and can't take a ! I have rights also i should be able to take a any where at anytime and you have to let me and you have to smell it! this is America!!

And i want to be a Dentist but that ain't happening cuz!

[Desert Plains]

I have seen first hand what smoking does to babies................

[tlongII]

Another thing I hate when i go to a bar and people talk real loud. I should be able to drink in peace. They need to tell people if your going to talk do it outside.

you see a pattern forming here? soon they will outlaw Mullets in public places and then where will Pooh eat?

Dude, the hair in that pic that needs to be outlawed ain't the mullet! iykwim

[Blake]

I never once ing said it wasn't bad for you. Never once. You're really really dumb. Its an age issue because a minor at the age of 4 cannot choose for him/herself to not enter into a restaurant with their parents that allows smoking. We must protect those who cannot choose for themselves and protect the rights of others who are adults to choose freely.

there's a very fine line here when you say that adults have the choice where they can work.

Your argument is contradictory when you say it should be outlawed in the workplace, even if there are no minors............that is unless you feel that everyone can equally choose where they want to work.

[johnsmith.]

I am not anti gay or anything but i will say this, those two are the ugliest ers I have ever seen in all the ST gtg pics!

[I am Tom]

I have seen first hand what smoking does to babies................

me too!

[Phenomanul]

That's great!!!! I can finally go bowling without losing lung cells.

[I am Tom]

That's great!!!! I can finally go bowling without having to kill cells in my lungs.

I thought you bowlers had balls?

[BacktoBasics]

there's a very fine line here when you say that adults have the choice where they can work.

Your argument is contradictory when you say it should be outlawed in the workplace, even if there are no minors............that is unless you feel that everyone can equally choose where they want to work.

I feel that if you don't like the policies of your employment you have the right to quit and seek employment elsewhere.

I also said that if the place of business operates with an open door policy to minors and minors may be present on said property then there should be a smoking ban.

I'm confused as to what is contradictory? People do have the right to choose where they work. Do they not? Perhaps I'm even willing to entertain the idea of smoking being solely allowed in an adults only purely 100% optional social setting. Even though I still think thats overgoverning. I'm willing to understand and compromise.

Make no mistake I thinks its all fundamentally and borderline cons utionally wrong but I fully understand and am an advocate for most of the smoking bans. It simply makes sense to protect the ones who are unable to choose freely for themselves. Its just way to much of an infringement of my rights as an adult consumer and the rights of the private business owner to dictate control over a legal substance in an adults only establishment. Thats what being American is supposed to be about "an adults ability to choose for himself free of government control". This strips the right of choice both for the ones who want to enter and the ones who do not want to enter. As well as the person who owns the establishment. You cannot possibly be an advocate for taking away a right of choice that pertains to the LEGAL use of a drug thats is in no way FORCED on someone. Loud and clear. Its not FORCED on you. You PREFER to not be around it. Go somewhere else that fits the social setting you desire. Don't like rock but like country then go to the country bar. No one forces you to hang out at the rock bar.

[BacktoBasics]

At this point all I'm doing is getting pissed off.

You are trying to turn your PREFERENCE into law. I'm trying to protect our already existing rights of choice for all three parties. The choice to enter. The choice to not enter. The choice to allow grown adults to use a legal substance at their establishment all while not forcing anything on anyone.

[leemajors]

props to B2B for steamrolling this into 9 pages.

[BacktoBasics]

props to B2B for steamrolling this into 9 pages.

I'm like a Kindergarden teacher trying to get a bunch of jackasses to paint within the lines. Its pointless. Some moron always goes and dumps the paint in the fish tank.

[Salad Tosser]

props to B2B for steamrolling this into 9 pages.

The man does possess a certain skill!