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    We did win 61 games last year, I don't think blowing it up right now would be the wise decision. Not sure what you mean by no starting PF. I think a Duncan/Splitter front line will suffice. Plus, the off-season is far from over and I would be willing to bet that the Spurs aren't done making moves for next season...

    Also, just because we commit to Tony for 1 or 2 more seasons doesn't automatically mean we commit to his whole contract . If our best interest is to get rid of him or trade him after Duncan retires, than that will be an option... especially since only $3.5/million out of his $12.5 is guaranteed to him during the last year of his contract. So saying you're shedding $35 million doesn't necessarily make sense lmao
    You Parker homers are hilarious.

    And you think the spurs are going to get some great offers for Parker 3 years from now when his game has fallen even farther? The spurs will probably have to include a talented young player/prospect just to get rid of him by then.

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    You Parker homers are hilarious.

    And you think the spurs are going to get some great offers for Parker 3 years from now when his game has fallen even farther? The spurs will probably have to include a talented young player/prospect just to get rid of him by then....

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    Ryan Anderson is a great offer?

    I rather keep winning now for a couple years with Tony at the helm and worry about rebuilding after Duncan and Manu retire than giving up right now and trading for the "next great" Ryan Anderson lmao

    Especially with only 3.5 mil being guaranteed in this last season of his deal. That could be appealing to a lot of teams.

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    You Parker homers are hilarious.

    And you think the spurs are going to get some great offers for Parker 3 years from now when his game has fallen even farther?
    When the last year of his deal is only $3.5 million guaranteed?

    Yes. Yes I do.

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    Might as well force Duncan to retire tomorrow if you're going to trade Tony Parker for Ryan Anderson Slap Duncan in the face too while you're at it.

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    Might as well force Duncan to retire tomorrow if you're going to trade Tony Parker for Ryan Anderson Slap Duncan in the face too while you're at it.
    I don't think Duncan would be too broken up over losing a wife sexting teammate who got wtfpwned by Mike Conley in the playoffs.

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    I don't think Duncan would be too broken up over losing a wife sexting teammate who got wtfpwned by Mike Conley in the playoffs.
    lol mind reading

    lol Ryan Anderson

    lol a lot better

    lol tanking

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    When the last year of his deal is only $3.5 million guaranteed?

    Yes. Yes I do.
    Jordan's firesale is pretty much over, tbh

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    Oh hey, wait a minute. Tyrus Thomas will still be under contract in 2015. I stand corrected.

    TP for TT. I like it.

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    Jordan's firesale is pretty much over, tbh
    You're pretty stupid tbh.

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    You're pretty stupid tbh.
    What's funny is you thinking the spurs are going to get anything decent in return for Parker in 2015 when Parker will be 32 years old and will need a wheelchair after any back to backs.

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    What's funny is you thinking the spurs are going to get anything decent in return for Parker in 2015 when Parker will be 32 years old and will need a wheelchair after any back to backs.
    Who said the team getting him would want him to play basketball for them?

    Oh, I get it. You don't know what an unguaranteed contract is.

    I forgot just how stupid you are for a second.

    I apologize.

    Jameer Nelson is older than Tony Parker.

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    When you rebuild you sort of have to accept the fact you might be bad for awhile.

    And I don't agree the spurs wouldn't have a shot with Nelson at point. He's not far behind Parker as far as point guards go. And he'll be getting paid half Parker's salary and his two years meshes better with Manu & Timmy's departure and the whole rebuilding plan, not to mention saving Holt two additional years of 12m+. Not to mention getting a 24 year old who is already seasoned in the league.

    Any of this make sense?
    I'm open to trading Parker because I don't think he sounds very motivated for next season (whatever amount of it we get). But, this sounds like a bad trade. I'd hold out for more.

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    Who said the team getting him would want him to play basketball for them?

    Oh, I get it. You don't know what an unguaranteed contract is.

    I forgot just how stupid you are for a second.

    I apologize.

    Jameer Nelson is older than Tony Parker.
    Let's play a little game of True or False.

    Playing 400 more games in a nba career is more debilitating than being 3 months older in age.

    True or False?

    (psst...I didn't forget how stupid you were).

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    I'm open to trading Parker because I don't think he sounds very motivated for next season (whatever amount of it we get). But, this sounds like a bad trade. I'd hold out for more.
    Getting a starting power forward for now AND the future WITH Tiago plus saving a load of money to start some rebuilding doesn't sound good?

    How much better do you really think it gets?

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    Tyrus Thomas?

    Parker for one of the biggest busts of the 2000s?

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    Some people will just always be obsessed with size and shot blocking . . .

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    Tyrus Thomas and Ryan Anderson

    This in guy

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    Oh hey, wait a minute. Tyrus Thomas will still be under contract in 2015. I stand corrected.

    TP for TT. I like it.
    I hope for your sake that this is some kind of re ed troll attempt.

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    same expectations here.
    in general it's not a bad position, if a team can claim to already have two legit centers and is just in need of a quality 4. I wrote before that if Tim doesn't play more than 25 MPG (which he shouldn't), we would need a high quality back up anyhow. so Tiago will also play about 25 MPG, maybe up to 30. the 4th big could still be either Blair or Bonner (the other is traded), playing about 15 MPG.
    so, as you also say, what Spurs need is a 30 MPG PF. other than most here I don't think this needs to be a defensive player in the first place. he should be a decent defender, but in the first place he must be able to score efficiently at a 14-17 PPG level. the other team must not be able to focus their post defense on Tim.
    that's why I'm high on Landry as a FA target, but I'm aware that he will likely get better offers (Indiana). an interesting trade target could be Millsap, another is Bass. (Millsap reportedly is on the market, Bass was rumored in trade talks last deadline. Bass likely isn't good enough for the mentioned role. Millsap and Landry would be IMO).
    It's definitely preferable to having two quality fours and no starting caliber fives. I suspect the big rotation will be as follows: Duncan 28 mpg, starting four 26 mpg, Bonner 22 mpg, Splitter 20 mpg. I didn't find Duncan's minutes to be an issue last season and whether they play him 25 mpg, 30 mpg, or somewhere in between, he's still going to progressively wear down in the playoffs. But in order to have their best possible chance of going on a deep run, they'll likely need a high seed and in order to obtain that, they'll likely need Duncan for more than 25 mpg.

    I don't know that it's got to be a defense first player. What it's got to be is someone who's not a liability when it comes to mid range shooting, rebounding or defending. That's the problem with Landry, Millsap and Bass. None are good defenders, two aren't good rebounders and Millsap, despite his reputation as a glass eater, has not been a very good rebounder either the past two seasons. What I like about Johnson is that he's not a liability in any of those three areas and in addition to that, he's athletic and a shot blocker. This team hasn't had a big as athletic as him (in the rotation, at least) in a long time and they haven't a second shot blocker since the days of Mohammed and Nesterovic.

    Anderson, though I don't see him as a fit on the Spurs (unless they get rid of Bonner), I do think he is available. Not because the Magic want to trade him, but because they need to acquire a significant player in order to have a chance to re-sign Howard. They don't have a lot of good, young, inexpensive talent, so if they're to make a trade, there's a good chance Anderson would have to be a part of it. I think that's why they traded for Harper during the draft.

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    I have no problem with trading parker but not for Anderson and Nelson.
    The Spurs need to add a top proven star for Parker not two average players.

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    Let's play a little game of True or False.

    Playing 400 more games in a nba career is more debilitating than being 3 months older in age.

    True or False?

    (psst...I didn't forget how stupid you were).
    So Nelson is going to suck that much more the more he plays?

    Wow.

    You really made your case.

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    Does that make Bonner a SG?
    Very good question. Bonner is an anomoly. To be honest - he does have the game of a SG. But he plays the PF position (think of how he's used).

    For the record, Size isn't as much an indicator of position as it used to be. Just because he's taller than 6'6" doesn't mean he doesn't have that type of game. Chuck Hayes is 6'6" and was listed as the Rockets center all last year. Davis Bertans is 6'10" and is listed as a SF. Durant is 6'9" and plays SG from time to time (and most certainly has that style of game). Dirk at times, played the SG position as well.

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    It's definitely preferable to having two quality fours and no starting caliber fives. I suspect the big rotation will be as follows: Duncan 28 mpg, starting four 26 mpg, Bonner 22 mpg, Splitter 20 mpg. I didn't find Duncan's minutes to be an issue last season and whether they play him 25 mpg, 30 mpg, or somewhere in between, he's still going to progressively wear down in the playoffs. But in order to have their best possible chance of going on a deep run, they'll likely need a high seed and in order to obtain that, they'll likely need Duncan for more than 25 mpg.

    I don't know that it's got to be a defense first player. What it's got to be is someone who's not a liability when it comes to mid range shooting, rebounding or defending. That's the problem with Landry, Millsap and Bass. None are good defenders, two aren't good rebounders and Millsap, despite his reputation as a glass eater, has not been a very good rebounder either the past two seasons. What I like about Johnson is that he's not a liability in any of those three areas and in addition to that, he's athletic and a shot blocker. This team hasn't had a big as athletic as him (in the rotation, at least) in a long time and they haven't a second shot blocker since the days of Mohammed and Nesterovic.

    Anderson, though I don't see him as a fit on the Spurs (unless they get rid of Bonner), I do think he is available. Not because the Magic want to trade him, but because they need to acquire a significant player in order to have a chance to re-sign Howard. They don't have a lot of good, young, inexpensive talent, so if they're to make a trade, there's a good chance Anderson would have to be a part of it. I think that's why they traded for Harper during the draft.
    I disagree. PFs are a dime a dozen - just about every team has a somewhat serviceable one while few teams have even an average C.

    Just look at the NBA draft and count the # of PFs drafted vs. the # of Cs drafted.

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    It's going to be a dark year for SA. Tim retires, no one left but Manu and Tony to carry on. I see a few years of Utahville coming our way.

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    I disagree. PFs are a dime a dozen - just about every team has a somewhat serviceable one while few teams have even an average C.

    Just look at the NBA draft and count the # of PFs drafted vs. the # of Cs drafted.
    that's what he said. in fact you agree.

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