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Duncan's teams had very small weaknesses but Malone had weaknesses in 2 positions. Small Forward and Center.
Neither does Duncan has a HoF point guard and strong shooting guards (in 99 and 03) and he STILL won championships. Point is, Duncan won with teams that have weaknesses in all his teams (99,03 - PG, SG), Malone can't.
Duncan's teams had very small weaknesses but Malone had weaknesses in 2 positions. Small Forward and Center.
I think the biggest weakness Malone's Jazz teams had was Malones play in big games.
Remember Malone had to go against the great Jordan teams along with Olajuwon in his prime. It was tough for anyone to win championships in that 8 year period.
Eaton is 2nd all time in block shots and he was a weakness?
so was Shawn Bradley a great shot blocker. That doesn't make them good.
I wouldn't call bradley a great shotblocker, he's probably been dunked on more times than he's blocked shots
Shawn Bradley is a top ten all time in shot blocking and Mark Eaton is a stiff to.
You are overrating these tall guys who can block shots and that is about it.
Mark Eaton had a 4 year stretch where he averaged 4.3, 5.6, 4.3 and 4.1. You said the center position was the weakness well Spurs won the le with Nazr as their starting center.
I am a big fan of Nazr. They had Ginobili, Parker, and Duncan as their top 3 options. Bowen can hit the 3 pointer also so why go to Nazr with that great group there.
Malone had Jeff Hornacek, John Stockton, and Byron Russell..That sounds like a pretty good supporting cast. Why would the Jazz go to their Ctr w/ all those options?
And did the CTR position for the Jazz really mean that much going against Bill Wennington and Luc Longley? I bet if you looked at the Jazz ctr's numbers compared to the Bull's ctrs it would be a wash.
That was late in Malone's career which he wasn't quite as good then and I would pick Duncan over Malone after 95. The bulls were in the way with the greatest player of all time in Jordan.
If Jordan was responsible for Malone being ringless how about in 94 and 95?
Malone didn't have Hornacek at that time and Ostertag was a sorry center
94 Utah Jazzliar
How did Malone not make the finals with this team
Name G MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+--------------------+---+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+
Karl Malone 82 40.6 9.4 18.9 0.1 0.4 6.2 9.0 2.9 8.6 11.5 4.0 1.5 1.5 2.9 3.3 25.2
Jeff Malone 50 33.1 6.8 13.8 0.1 0.1 2.6 3.1 0.6 1.7 2.3 1.3 0.5 0.1 1.1 1.5 16.2
John Stockton 82 36.2 5.6 10.6 0.6 1.8 3.3 4.1 0.9 2.3 3.1 12.6 2.4 0.3 3.2 2.9 15.1
Jeff Hornacek 27 30.6 5.4 10.7 0.7 1.6 3.0 3.4 0.7 1.8 2.5 3.9 1.2 0.1 1.2 2.6 14.6
Tom Chambers 80 23.0 4.1 9.4 0.2 0.6 2.8 3.5 1.1 3.0 4.1 1.0 0.5 0.4 1.1 2.9 11.2
Felton Spencer 79 28.0 3.2 6.4 0.0 0.0 2.1 3.4 3.0 5.4 8.3 0.5 0.5 0.8 1.6 3.8 8.6
Tyrone Corbin 82 26.2 3.3 7.2 0.1 0.4 1.4 1.8 1.8 2.9 4.7 1.5 1.2 0.3 1.1 2.6 8.0
Jay Humphries 75 21.6 3.1 7.1 0.5 1.3 0.8 1.0 0.5 1.2 1.7 2.9 0.9 0.1 1.3 2.2 7.5
David Benoit 55 19.5 2.5 6.6 0.2 1.1 1.2 1.6 1.6 3.1 4.7 0.4 0.4 0.7 0.7 2.1 6.5
Bryon Russell 67 16.7 2.0 4.2 0.0 0.3 0.9 1.5 0.9 1.8 2.7 0.8 1.0 0.3 0.8 2.1 5.0
Stephen Howard 9 5.9 1.1 1.9 0.0 0.0 1.2 1.8 1.1 0.7 1.8 0.1 0.1 0.3 0.7 1.4 3.4
Walter Bond 56 10.0 1.1 2.8 0.3 1.0 0.6 0.7 0.4 0.7 1.1 0.6 0.3 0.2 0.3 1.6 3.1
Chad Gallagher 2 1.5 1.5 1.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 3.0
John Crotty 45 7.0 1.0 2.2 0.2 0.5 0.7 0.8 0.2 0.4 0.7 1.7 0.3 0.0 0.6 0.8 2.9
Darren Morningstar 1 4.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 2.0
Luther Wright 15 6.1 0.5 1.5 0.0 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4 0.3 0.7 0.0 0.1 0.1 0.4 1.4 1.3
Dave Jamerson 1 4.0 0.0 2.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0
Aaron Williams 6 2.0 0.3 1.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.2 0.3 0.5 0.2 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.7 0.7
Sean Green 1 2.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
+--------------------+---+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----
Ok. You got me there but remember the great Olajuwon who embarrased David Robinson that year and any team in the west including the Phoenix Suns who you thought I liked. I would have to watch those games because the untangibles like unselfishness and defense matter.
I love the name of this thread
well, we have been done debating duncan > kg for a while now. Somehow this has turned into a Karl Malone debate. Gotta love these forums.
classic thread.
Yeah, and Mark Madsen is actually the best player around. Look at all the les he won with the right people in place around him.
The funniest thing is the le of this thread.
You were starting the debate (as indicated by the 9 page thread), not ending it.
This forum has had quite a few debates. I think they are arguing the pros and cons of The death penalty right now.
Those look like Shawn Bradley's numbers
Tell me more about Malone's teammates, like how they don't have a 2nd and 3rd scoring option. Please tell me more. Or how Malone doesn't have teammates who plays defense.Those look like Shawn Bradley's numbers
You ability to focus on Malone's crappy teammates and their weaknesses, while only focusing on Duncan's teammates' strengths have been exposed. I can just as easily say how Bowen sucked on offense, how Parker doesn't have a consistent jumpshot, how Avery Johnson doesn't even have a shot, how Robinson has a bad back, how Sean Elliott has a bad kidney, how Nesterovic and Mohammed doesn't have ANY offense, how Ginobili commit turnovers, etc .... every player has faults.
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