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Why do you want to change the subject.
What is with all the bigotry dude?
It's just a music opinion. Anyone else's counts just as much as yours.
Why do you want to change the subject.
No.
But I noticed how I responded directly to your comparisons in the other thread and how you completely ignored my responses.
... said the learned music historian.
Not fair.The "music historian" is actually using sales to determine the overall worth of a band. What a shallow got. Using his reasoning, The Velvet Underground wasn't good or influential. Oh wait, he already made those claims before!
Shallow got with the outlook on music of a 12-year-old girl.
I had much better taste in a wider variety of music when I was 12 years old than Avante does now.
I'm still waiting for Avante's almanac list of 100s of bands he is currently listening to.
I told you he couldn't do it!
"They sound like " isn't complex at all. That's why everyone has suggested you don't know what the you're talking about.
What else is there to talk about besides lyrics/vocals/music? The Clash are weak in all three of those.
So tell me why you think they are a great band, would love to see this.
Do me a favor, ok? Actually watch these, ok?
This is a great song?
Now compare that to this.
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Care to try and prove that? Today it's been...
Nina Simone
Lucinda Williams
Grace Jones
Harry Manx
How about you?
Obviously talking about the current music business.
Where's The Clash?
List of best-selling music artists in the United States
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This is the list of the top 100 best-selling music artists in the United States only based on certifications of albums by the RIAA.[1] (The list may contain more than 100, when the final slot is a tie.)
The RIAA does not deal in sales of albums, only certifications of shipped units. Therefore this best-selling list is based on total ac ulated certifications given per artist and may not reflect the true physical sales obtained by these artists.
The RIAA began its certifications in 1958. This list; therefore, excludes artists like Bing Crosby whose sales in the 1930s-1950s were not certified. The list also excludes certifications of albums recorded by artists in collaboration with others as part of a singular artist or group's total.
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Number Name Nationality Years Active Genre Certification
in millions1 The Beatles UK 60s Rock / Pop 177 2 Elvis Presley U.S. 50s-70s Rock and roll / Pop / Country / Gospel 134.5 3 Garth Brooks U.S. 80s-10s Country 128 4 Led Zeppelin UK 60s-80s Hard rock / Heavy Metal / Blues rock / Folk rock 111.5 5 Eagles U.S. 70s-10s Rock / Country rock 100 6 Billy Joel U.S. 70s-00s Rock 81.5 7 Pink Floyd UK 60s-90s Progressive rock / Psychedelic rock / Space rock 74.5 8 Elton John UK 60s-10s Pop / Rock 72 9 Barbra Streisand U.S. 60s-10s Pop 71.5 AC/DC Australia/UK 70s-10s Hard rock 71.5 11 Michael Jackson U.S. 70s-00s Pop / R&B / Rock / Soul / Dance 70.5 12 George Strait U.S. 80s-10s Country 68.5 13 Aerosmith U.S. 70s-10s Hard rock / Heavy Metal / Blues rock 66.5 The Rolling Stones UK 60s-10s Rock / Blues rock 66.5 15 Bruce Springsteen U.S. 70s-10s Rock / Folk 64.5 Madonna U.S. 80s-10s Pop / Dance 64.5 17 Mariah Carey U.S. 90s-10s R&B / Pop / Hip-Hop 63.5 18 Metallica U.S. 80s-10s Thrash Metal 62 19 Whitney Houston U.S. 80s-10s R&B/Pop 57 20 Van Halen U.S. 70s-10s Hard rock 56.5 21 U2 Ireland 70s-10s Rock 51.5 22 Kenny Rogers U.S. 50s-00s Pop / Rock / Country 51 23 Celine Dion Canada 80s-10s Pop 50 24 Fleetwood Mac UK/U.S. 60s-00s Rock 48.5 Neil Diamond U.S. 60s-10s Pop 48.5 26 Shania Twain Canada 90s-10s Pop country 48 Kenny G U.S. 80s-10s Smooth Jazz 48 28 Journey U.S. 70s-10s Pop / Rock 47 29 Alabama U.S. 70s-10s Country rock 46 30 Guns N' Roses U.S. 80s-10s Hard rock / Heavy Metal 44.5 31 Santana Mexico/U.S. 60s-10s Latin / Rock 43.5 Alan Jackson U.S. 80s-10s Country 43.5 33 Eric Clapton UK 60s-10s Blues / Blues rock / Rock 42.5 Bob Seger U.S. 60s-00s Rock 42.5 35 Reba McEntire U.S. 70s-10s Country 41 36 Prince U.S. 70s-10s R&B / Rock / Funk 39.5 37 Chicago U.S. 60s-00s Pop / Rock 38.5 Simon and Garfunkel U.S. 60s-70s Folk / Pop 38.5 2Pac U.S. 90s Hip-Hop/Rap 38.5 40 Rod Stewart UK 60s-10s Pop / Rock 38 41 Foreigner U.S./UK 70s-10s Rock 37.5 42 Bob Dylan U.S. 60s-10s Folk / Rock 37 Backstreet Boys U.S. 90s-10s Pop / Dance 37 Tim McGraw U.S. 90s-10s Country 37 45 Def Leppard UK 70s-00s Hard rock / Heavy Metal 35 Willie Nelson U.S. 50s-10s Country 35 Eminem U.S. 90s-10s Hip-Hop/Rap 35 48 Queen UK 70s-00s Pop rock / Hard rock 34.5 49 Britney Spears U.S. 90s-10s Pop / Dance 34 Bon Jovi U.S. 80s-10s Hard Rock / Glam Metal 34 51 Phil Collins UK 70s-10s Pop / R&B 33.5 R. Kelly U.S. 90s-10s R&B / Soul 33.5 53 James Taylor U.S. 60s-10s Folk / Pop 33 John Denver U.S. 60s-90s Pop / Country 33 55 The Doors U.S. 60s-70s Rock / Psychedelic Rock 32.5 Dave Matthews Band U.S. 90s-10s Rock 32.5 57 Pearl Jam U.S. 90s-00s Grunge / Alternative rock 31.5 58 Boston U.S. 70s-00s Rock / Hard rock 31 59 Dixie Chicks U.S. 80s-00s Country / Country pop 30.5 60 Linda Ronstadt U.S. 60s-00s Rock / Folk / Country 30 61 Tom Petty U.S. 70s-10s Rock 29 62 Ozzy Osbourne UK 60s-10s Heavy metal / Hard Rock 28.75 63 Mannheim Steamroller U.S. 70s-10s New Age / Christmas 28.5 Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers U.S. 70s-10s Rock 28.5 65 'N Sync U.S. 90s-00s Pop 28 Michael Bolton U.S. 80s-10s Pop 28 Lynyrd Skynyrd U.S. 60s-00s Southern rock 28 68 John Mellencamp U.S. 70s-10s Rock 27.5 Brooks & Dunn U.S. 90s-00s Country 27.5 Barry Manilow U.S. 70s-10s Pop 27.5 71 Boyz II Men U.S. 90s-00s R&B 27 Frank Sinatra U.S. 30s-90s Traditional pop 27 Jay-Z U.S. 80s-10s Hip-Hop/Rap 27 74 Enya Ireland 80s-00s New Age / Celtic 26.5 Bee Gees UK/Australia 60s-00s Disco 26.5 76 Janet Jackson U.S. 80s-10s R&B / Pop 26 Creedence Clearwater Revival U.S. 60s-70s Country / Rock 26 78 Faith Hill U.S. 90s-00s Country 25.5 Kenny Chesney U.S. 90s-10s Country 25.5 80 Rush Canada 70s-10s Hard rock / Progressive rock 25 Nirvana U.S. 80s-90s Grunge / Alternative rock 25 ZZ Top U.S. 70s-00s Rock / Blues rock / Hard rock 25 Luther Vandross U.S. 60s-00s R&B 25 Creed U.S. 90s-00s Post-grunge / Hard rock 25 85 The Carpenters U.S. 60s-80s Pop 24.5 Steve Miller Band U.S. 60s-10s Rock 24.5 Toby Keith U.S. 90s-10s Country 24.5 88 Vince Gill U.S. 70s-00s Country 24 Green Day U.S. 80s-10s Punk Rock / Pop Punk / Alternative Rock 24 90 Earth, Wind & Fire U.S. 70s-10s Funk / R&B / Disco 23.5 The Cars U.S. 70s-10s Rock / New wave 23.5 Kid Rock U.S. 90s-10s Rock / Rap / Country 23 Mötley Crüe U.S. 80s-00s Hard rock / Heavy Metal 23.5 Sade UK 80s-10s R&B / Pop 23.5 95 Jimmy Buffett U.S. 60s-10s Rock / Pop / Country 23 Lionel Richie U.S. 60s-10s Soul / R&B / Pop 23 Red Hot Chili Peppers U.S. 80s-10s Funk rock / Alt rock 23 98 The Police UK 70s-80s Pop / New wave 22.5 Jimi Hendrix U.S. 60s-70s Psychedelic rock 22.5 Usher U.S. 90s-10s R&B / Pop 22.5 Heart U.S. 70s-10s Rock 22.5 The Beach Boys U.S. 60s-10s Pop / Surf rock 22.5
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You have mentioned all three of those things, repeatedly, but you have yet to discuss any of them even once. Saying they're weak is not the same as showing their weakness.
And, before you bother, no, posting YouTubes does not show their weakness. Especially when you're talking to a crowd who is already familiar with and fond of all of the Clash videos you're posting.
Joe Strummer was a great frontman who brought to the band a tremendous depth of musical knowledge and influences from a wide range of genres. Their lyrics are incredibly smart and fully engaged in the politics of their time. Bringing in elements of reggae, ska, and rockabilly, among other things, their music managed a balance of hard edges and fun/catchy instrumentation that exemplifies my favorite versions of punk.
I could go on, but I won't bother. None of this will change your mind. Nor is it meant to, as your personal taste is just as valid as anyone else's.
I think so, yes. One of my favorites, in fact.
Johnny Lang isn't untalented as a musician, but I find that song, and all of watered down modern blues, to be completely boring. The lyrics are insipid, the music/arrangement are wholly uninspired. It's nothing I would ever choose to listen to.
Are you asking me what I've listened to today? Can't remember everyone, but it included:
Los Zafiros
Sam Cooke
Stompy Jones
Squirrel Nut Zippers
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
The Cats and the Fiddle
Louis Armstrong
Louis Prima
Sam Butera
Kay Starr
Cab Calloway
The Boswell Sisters
Gnarls Barkley
Norah Jones
Dean Martin
Otis Redding
Louis Jordan
Django Reinhardt
and Queens of the Stone Age
Not that that proves anything.
Doesn't matter how many lists you post or where you find them, quan ative evidence does nothing to support a qualitative argument.
Their lyrics simply don't register with anyone over 21, all that rebellious is outgrown once you start making serious $$$$$$$$$. Joe Strummer is not a great singer, he has limited range and pales in comparison to most lead singers in the top flight bands. Any bar band/garage band can match The Clash when it comes to musical skills.
The thing with Lang vs The Clash is he simply sounded better.
Well when you are bragging about a band and we don't see them among the best, what's that tell you?
Let's look at your list vs what I could have listened to
Los Zafiros....Leo Kottle
Sam Cooke...Nat King Cole
Stompy Jones....Sticks McGree
Squirrel Nut Zippers....Nashville Jug Band
Screamin' Jay Hawkins....Little Richard
The Cats and the Fiddle....They really are cool
Louis Armstrong....Jellyroll Morton
Louis Prima...Frank Sinatra
Sam Butera...Sam Hopkins
Kay Starr...Koko Taylor
Cab Calloway....Cow Cow Davenport
The Boswell Sisters...The Carter Family
Gnarls Barkley....Boweavil Jackson
Norah Jones....Lucinda Williams
Dean Martin...Leonard Cohen
Otis Redding...Al Green
Louis Jordan....Jay McShann
Django Reinhardt...Eddie Lang
and Queens of the Stone Age....Chronic Tendancies
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We did see them among the best, though.
At least, we did until it was pointed out to you and you reacted by changing your definition of "best."
We saw what one magazine thought. A magazine that ranked Robert Johnson among the top 10 guitarists of all time and didn't even mention the far superior Lonnie Johnson. If you know music you know where Lonnie Johnson should be.
Wait... what?
I'm sorry if it hurts that I whipped out a bigger e- than you, but what exactly is this meant to show? Your challenge was silly enough before it involved a magical fantasy land in which you could have listened to more/more diverse music today than I did.
It was the exact same magazine/list that you cited as an authority when it was in service of the point you wanted to make.
lol Avante made up an almanac list just for you.
You seem to think I'm just some blues guy. When in realty I listen to a ton of different stuff. Just not today.
I have actual African tribal music. Blues from inmates in Angola Prison. Cowboy music which is different than country. As you might know there are tons of...who?...when it comes to rockabilly. Now add Tony Allen, Little Willie John, Patsy Montana, Texas Gladden, Hazel ens, ton of diverse stuff.
New to you
page 8?
The vato has scoreboard!
Your mistake is in assuming that I or anyone else here has dedicated even a second of thought to what kind of music you listen to.
Then it seems odd you would have chosen yesterday as a day to brag about the music you listened to.
You have no earthly way of knowing that. But if it makes you feel better to think I've never heard of Hasil Adkins before, you go right on ahead.
That's his fall back argument when he gets painted in a corner because there's no way you can prove what you have or have not listened to or heard. He can't either. All he can do is make lists and post youtube videos, but he's never shown his depth of knowledge or understanding of music in a discussion. Quite the oppsite, in fact.
I've always found this.....depth of knowledge/understanding of music...rather strange. It's pretty obvious I'm kneedeep into music. It's also very obvious I've heard a ton of stuff over a long period of time. I also know the origins, the who influensed who. Where it all came from. So explain....depth of knowledge/understanding....love to see this. Don't try and tell me unless I can play guitar I can't enjoy the sound.
The videos are me sharing the music. The lists are about turning others on to somebody new to them. I've been turned on the new to me on these boards.
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