When you say others you mean the other team, right? TheGreatYacht loves to on Ginobili for his turnovers but Manu never averaged as many turnovers as assists like Simmons does, tbh. And we know this isn't a one time thing because he was equally inept on the turnover to assist ratio on his two years here too.
Again, Simmons is a journeyman that is only above average at slashing. He wasn't some kind of saviour as some seem to think here.
Last edited by DAF86; 02-07-2018 at 12:23 AM.
OK, I will make this even simpler for you: I WOULD NOT TAKE SIMMONS ON THE TEAM. I JUST SAID I WOULD TAKE HIM OVER MILLS AND GASOL BECAUSE I WANTED TO POINT OUT HOW AWFUL I THINK MILLS AND GASOL'S CONTRACTS ARE. I DO NOT WANT MILLS, I DO NOT WANT GASOL AND I DO NOT WANT SIMMONS UNDRAFTED SCRUB ASS.
That slashing is needed on this team, above average or otherwise
He really didn’t want to come back. I think he expected to get paid more but once the market for him wasn’t as high as he initially thought, he’d just as soon be elsewhere and that’s an indictment on PATFO.
A lot of players would rather be head of mouse instead of tail of lion, tbh.
I do I agree that Simmons would have gone to whoever team offered the most money, but offering more money than what the Magic gave him would have been a mistake.
Spurs should hope he stays in a bad team like the Magic
This is on the Spurs and their system.
Really dude?
I do love the simultaneous at udes that Simmons was so valuable to the Spurs but also that Orlando being willing to let him go for nothing is merely incidental.
Yeah dudeReally dude?
He wanted more shots, and a better role than Pop was willing to give him. He wanted to be free if Pops system. Think if the Spurs paid him what he wanted he would have stayed but IMO if he was going to get a moderate contract he’s just as soon be elsewhere.
You might think those two ideas are consistent, but they’re really not dude
And again, before anyone thinks I'm butt-hurt, remember I have Jon on my fantasy team. I love to see these types of games from him.
They are. Like in DAF's perfect world none of the three would be on the team. But if he could get rid of Patty and Pau by having Simmons, he would.
"Jonathon Simmons explains why he left the Spurs"
``I actually think I struggled in the Spurs system because I was like this (in and out) all of the time,”
``Pop always wants you to slow down and learn a lot of things and that’s was great for me because I learned a lot. But now I think it’s time to release the animal inside of me.’’
``Pop understood that and I explained that to him,’’ added Simmons, referring to his desire for a bigger role on the team. ``I told him that I just couldn’t play at the highest level that I wanted to there (in San Antonio). I want to become great and play against those elite guys every night myself. He tipped his hat to me and told me if I ever needed anything else from him he’d be there for me. We still have a great relationship and I’m looking forward to seeing him.’’
Actually, I would have Pau, but on his original contract that would make him an expiring this offseason.
What is Simmons supposed to say instead?
"I hate Orlando. I hate going into camp with the same role and minutes on a lottery team as I had in San Antonio. I hate that the only team offering me real money put my head in a vice and squeezed until I agreed to the not fully guaranteed final year. I hate that the Spurs are so confident they can replace me with the minimum that I'm forced to back up Terence Ross and Fournier and compete with Mario."
No
He's going to talk about wanting a new opportunity, a new etc etc
It's saving face
This has been baseless speculation every time you said it. It's not any more true after the repe ion
I agree Objective. these naysayers.. I mean seriously.. Simmons is hands down better than any ing Spur right now not named Kawhi. What a ed up move. Pop is an old stubborn bas who needs to ing leave and go coach the lakers or whatever the he is doing... He has ed up this team.
He could have not said anything. Or if it is indeed how you think it is, he could have said something along the lines of "I loved my time here but I got this great offer from the Magic and I think it was the right move and blah, blah, blah". You know, the typical stuff. He didn't need to go to so much detail and get to the point of inventing quotes of a supposedly imaginary talk with Popovich to save face, tbh.
You can think that.
I really do think he wanted to move on. Many others like Marco, Boban, CoJo, etc were straightforward that other teams gave them more than the Spurs offered. In CoJos case Spurs couldn’t match on his offer. Etc. It was clear other teams outbid the Spurs for their services.
Not Jsimms. He asked for the QO to be pulled and he was very clear (more than one interview) that he wanted to move on. I think it’s possible RC didn’t respect him as FA and thus alienated him with an insulting lack of any offer (beyond a very low QO). I really do believe RC was probably that reckless as to not take him seriously.
They may have told him they would have match offers for him within reason. But the problem for the Spurs was that once they sent him out to other teams to get offers he was sold on a role elsewhere that he wouldn’t have gotten with the Spurs. You don’t think that stuff was important to him? It goes with things he said even while he was in the Spurs tbh. He’s ambitious and he wanted a more prominent role.
Last edited by SAGirl; 02-07-2018 at 12:08 AM.
Believe what you guys want.
Just ask yourselves:
If the Spurs offered more, or a full guarantee on that last year ... Does he still leave?
A guy who had made nothing?
Pau didn't mind the lack of Opera and culture when he was on the verge of taking the MLE, until Chicago came in over the top.
We we would be speculating there but I don’t believe they would have offered him more than Orlando to keep him. I would probably agree with a view where the Spurs didn’t try to outbid the Magic.
I do believe they penny pinched him hard (while being free wheely with Pau and Mills).
And I do believe they didn’t really respect him as FA all that much... the basically wanted to match what he got and I think JSimms thought, you know what? If the money is the same, I am gone. And thus he was gone.
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