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    Sorry, I must have missed your question. I think Pence would try to put limits (number of weeks) on abortion. Don't think that Trump would do that.
    "The House on Tuesday approved a bill banning most abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, advancing a key GOP priority for the third time in the past four years — this time, with a supportive Republican in the White House.

    The bill, known as the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, is not expected to emerge from the Senate, where most Democrats and a handful of moderate Republicans can block its consideration. But antiabortion activists are calling President Trump's endorsement of the bill a significant advance for their movement.

    The White House said in a statement released Monday that the administration "strongly supports" the legislation "and applauds the House of Representatives for continuing its efforts to secure critical pro-life protections."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...e38_story.html

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    From a Christian perspective - all sins are equal, require true repentance and are covered by (shedding of) Christ's blood.
    Equal? I thought there were discounted sins if you like a certain flavor of Christianity.

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    From a Christian perspective - all sins are equal, require true repentance and are covered by (shedding of) Christ's blood. From a criminal perspective, I guess whatever the judge says?
    You'll be in heaven with murderers, rapists and child abusers. Neat.

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    Well, this has devolved into just what I strived to avoid.

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    You never know what will happen - the flesh is weak and people make mistakes. Pence is wise to not put himself in that position.
    Flesh is weak... Honest to God...

    So when he looks at his wife, "the flesh is weak" is good enough for the hurt done.
    Nope. Don't work that way.

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    You'll be in heaven with murderers, rapists and child abusers. Neat.
    They said they're sorry tho, so God's cool with it.

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    From a Christian perspective - all sins are equal, require true repentance and are covered by (shedding of) Christ's blood.
    So if I either say god damn it or rape your granddaughter, it's the same either way?

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    So if I either say god damn it or rape your granddaughter, it's the same either way?
    forgiveness is forgiveness

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    They said they're sorry tho, so God's cool with it.
    Actually he's sad I think.

    But iloving and forgiving in the New Testament.

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    Equal? I thought there were discounted sins if you like a certain flavor of Christianity.
    Catholics.

    And they have levels of sins.

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    Well, this has devolved into just what I strived to avoid.
    Yeah.
    Sorry.

    But if Pence says he's weak in the flesh after he hurts his wife...
    True repentance should scare him enough from ever even worrying about being weak.
    Thats like Old Testament of me...

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    You'll be in heaven with murderers, rapists and child abusers. Neat.
    And a no cucks allowed doormat

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    "The House on Tuesday approved a bill banning most abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, advancing a key GOP priority for the third time in the past four years — this time, with a supportive Republican in the White House.

    The bill, known as the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, is not expected to emerge from the Senate, where most Democrats and a handful of moderate Republicans can block its consideration. But antiabortion activists are calling President Trump's endorsement of the bill a significant advance for their movement.

    The White House said in a statement released Monday that the administration "strongly supports" the legislation "and applauds the House of Representatives for continuing its efforts to secure critical pro-life protections."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...e38_story.html
    Everybody KNOWS that is DOA in the Senate.

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    Yeah.
    Sorry.

    But if Pence says he's weak in the flesh after he hurts his wife...
    True repentance should scare him enough from ever even worrying about being weak.
    Thats like Old Testament of me...
    Pence didn't say that. I said that. Some couples don't make it through that thing called "mid life crisis" - some of you are young and can't conceive of a time when you'll get bored, distracted, when the kids are grown ... People don't go into affairs thinking, "Oh, well, I can just repent after" A major point of the Christian faith is that we are all sinners and need redemption.

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    Everybody KNOWS that is DOA in the Senate.
    How would Pence do better?

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    Demon is saying that no Dem he sees now has his mouth planted on BigFinance's .

    And if a Dem doesn't fellate BigFinance, the Dem has no chance.

    BigFinance, aka CAPITAL, is a top King Maker of the oligarchy, spending its Citizens-United $10Bs to buy, to corrupt candidates, politicians, judges, obtaining immunity from from investigation (never mind prosecution) and enabling vampire-squid sucking, fleecing, looting of $100Bs from across the planet.

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    "Dimon, who serves as the chairman of the Business Roundtable, said in November that Trump would likely be a one-term president."

    ROFL two months ago he said that
    He is trying to get the Democrats to back the kind of business friendly sellout that would add to his bottom line.

    him and the horse he rode in on.

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    How would Pence do better?
    Maybe personally work among congressmen to get votes? I don't think changing abortion rights is high on Trump's list - he'll say he supports this bill that came out of the House, but he's not going out of his way to try to get it passed.

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    Maybe personally work among congressmen to get votes? I don't think changing abortion rights is high on Trump's list - he'll say he supports this bill that came out of the House, but he's not going out of his way to try to get it passed.
    Yeah I'm not good with maybes.

    Your "careful what you wish for" line falls flat

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    Pence didn't say that. I said that. Some couples don't make it through that thing called "mid life crisis" - some of you are young and can't conceive of a time when you'll get bored, distracted, when the kids are grown ... People don't go into affairs thinking, "Oh, well, I can just repent after" A major point of the Christian faith is that we are all sinners and need redemption.
    Did Pence say he did not go any room with another women alone because sex was possible from his perspective?

    Or, he did not get himself in the situation above because it could evolve into a woman claiming he did something he had no intention of doing (sex) and did NOT do?

    Imo, the LATER is the legitimate answer. If it's the former, he sinned.

    If not, you are saying he premeditated sinning thru sex was a real possibility, so he kept clear. I say you don't NEED to PREMEDITATE this act because you know it WILL NOT HAPPEN WILLFULLY. Because you know that this act would hurt someone. And your answer is we all sin.... Sorry, in my book that is beyond weak. This basically says I know I'm a sinner (we all are) and since I know I must sin... What? You know ahead of time what will happen? You have already sinned. You have sinned through an excuse that you must sin at some time, but you know what that sin will be. That takes zero responsibility. Free will does not exist. Seriously, this is a "holy cow" for me!

    Damn the world just got very simple, extraordinarly simple.

    Yep.
    Best not discuss religion. I thought it was a profound topic. But apparently the recipe is very easy. Just leave it at Jesus Christ is my savior and my Lord and I will attempt to follow his teachings. That's difficult enough. If a really sticky situation is presented as a thought experiment , say, I don't know. 3 simple words. I will attempt a search for this answer, but, I don't know. Amazing how weak we are. Like not knowing something difficult is a sin.

    I assumed Christian Apologetics said its ok to say I don't know.

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    From a Christian perspective - all sins are equal, require true repentance and are covered by (shedding of) Christ's blood. From a criminal perspective, I guess whatever the judge says?
    Sort of removes any consequences donnit?

    Do anything you want, then ask forgiveness. BAM. Hitler could be in Heaven in that regard, or any given torturer, murderer, etc.

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    Sort of removes any consequences donnit?

    Do anything you want, then ask forgiveness. BAM. Hitler could be in Heaven in that regard, or any given torturer, murderer, etc.
    Recently, some pastor confessed to his congregation, I guess in the wake of #MeToo and to preempt any accusers, that he screwed some under-age girl. He got a long, standing ovation.

    The only thing Christians are bigger and better on than forgiveness is sinning.

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    Recently, some pastor confessed to his congregation, I guess in the wake of #MeToo and to preempt any accusers, that he screwed some under-age girl. He got a long, standing ovation.

    The only thing Christians are bigger and better on than forgiveness is sinning.
    Is he still pastor?

    Because if he is, Christians have completely shirked the difficulty of actions have consequences.

    Or is this a we don't judge moment but bravo for the admission?

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    Recently, some pastor confessed to his congregation, I guess in the wake of #MeToo and to preempt any accusers, that he screwed some under-age girl. He got a long, standing ovation.

    The only thing Christians are bigger and better on than forgiveness is sinning.
    What pastor?

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    Is he still pastor?
    I'm wondering if he's out on bond

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