Parker in 34 minutes against the 76ers had 8 points and 8 assists. He was aggressive at times in the fourth, but still managed to make the right passes. Throughout the game he continuously looked for the third or fourth option and found them. When this kid is not asked to bear the load offensively (a.k.a when the "shooters" feel it), he IS capable of being a pass-first point guard.
The 76ers mounted a comeback in the fourth and Tony's play on offense was a big reason for the Spurs surging at the right time.
GREAT GAME BY TONY TODAY!!! This is WHAT I want to see from him -scoring less and proviDIng the opportunity to his teammates...Unfortunately, the 76rs are one of the woRse teams in the league, which DOESN'T PLaY any defense, so this WIN shouldn't satisfy us very much!!! IT WAS a must! Let see how we are going to do vs. the TOP teams after the allstar break - this is WHAT matters THE MOST!!! I can care LESS about the WEAK 76rs...They are a joke anyway...
GO SPURS!!!
If we played against a top team like this, we would've lost by 50.Let see how we are going to do vs. the TOP teams after the allstar break - this is WHAT matters THE MOST!!!
Yeah, Manu 12 shots for 12 points and Tim 19 shots for 17 is nothing to write home about.
exstatic is 100% right on. I'll just add that another frequent occurance comes when Tony feeds Timmy in the post. Timmy seldom shoots without taking a dribble in the post, thus taking away any chance for an assist for Tony. This is a staple set for the Spurs, especially in the 4th quarter, where Timmy becomes the hub and he is more likely to get an assist (passing out of the post) than Tony is.
Yes, Tony can still improve his assist totals, but the Spurs offense will seldom generate high assist numbers for their PGs.
So I'm reading the through this thread, and I've read lot of dumb , but this takes the cake. This is elephant in a yard full of dog .
Is that Eva Longoria behind that computer?
Which part of that, specifically?
I would do TP for Chris Paul too. I wouldn't do TP for Kidd either. TP for Steve Nash, or TP for Chauncy I probably wouldn't...but would definately have to think hard about.
Sorry, I don't see the elephant crap in that post.
Here are the stats for last year in the playoffs and how the Big Three faired in clutch play -- clutch play defined as the 4th quarter or overtime with less than 5 minutes left and neither team ahead by more than 5 points.
Ginobili - .364 FG%, 4 turnovers
Duncan - .370 FG%, 4 turnovers
Parker - .450 FG%, 3 turnovers
But then again, that would go against Spurs fan legend
Bottomline is that Parker isn't James Silas but nobody on this team really is -- especially looking at the playoffs last year. It's amazing that Parker gets the choking tag when Manu had the foul on Dirk, the Artest steal leading to the Martin layup and the tip away against the Mavs that ended a game.
Same stats for the 2004-05 playoffs:
Ginobili - .417 FG%, 3 turnovers
Duncan - .400 FG%, 2 turnovers
Parker - .474 FG%, 2 turnovers
Not bad for a non-clutch player.
P.S.
Horry was off the charts in that playoff run:
Horry - .727 FG%, 1 turnover
To give you an idea of how clutch Horry was in the 2005 playoff run:
With Horry on the court during clutch play, the Spurs scored 124.1 points per 100 possessions and gave up 83.7 points per 100 possessions.
That's disgusting
I can't speak for every Spur fan, but my guess is Ginobilli gets more lee way because he's come through for us in the clutch more as well. He has a few get out of jail free cards he can use.
I don't know if you consider "Flash" a point anymore, but considering that he played only a little over a year ago, he would seem to fit the position...and also, Nash is a 2 time MVP Christs sake. the Spurs are an old team. If the Spurs are going to win chamionships it's giong to be within the next 2-3 years. Parker being younger than Nash shouldn't matter for two reasons: Nash is unbelievable for his age, and I don't think there will be a huge drop off in his game any time soon, AND Once Duncan game starts dropping off, and I mean DRASTICALLY, Parkers position on the team will not mean a thing, at least if the Spurs are really trying to win a championship because Duncan is the centerpiece of this team, and frankly, once he is a shadow of his former self Tony will be playing for a "good" team that, though is in the run for a champioship, is highly unfavored. And ironically, this is where this team stands right now. And although it isn't on his account, I would much rather win (with nash playing point) 2,3 championships within the next 3,4,5 years and have to rebuild than win none with parker at the point, and be content with just being a really good team that was knocked out of the 2nd or third round. Because when it is all said and done, looking back 10, 20, 150 (exaggeration) years from now, it's really about how many championships you've got, and not how many years that the team was merely a contender.
TP for Paul, I would do. As well as TP for Nash without even thinking (which I hardly ever do in the first place).
How many good teams has Nash played for? How many rings does he have?
Not to mention Nash's age. With TP you have a stud for the next 10-15 years.
Notice the Parker haters will over look the above stats.
I'm not really a Parker hater, but a quick observation...
Stats aside, the beef I have with Parker is at the end of games when the lanes shrink and he has to pull up...more often then not it seems like you can't rely on him to hit a jump shot. , it seems like even he doesn't think he'll hit the jump shot.
Stats not aside.the beef I have with Parker is at the end of games when the lanes shrink and he has to pull up...more often then not it seems like you can't rely on him to hit a jump shot
The stats speak volumes.
Period.
Stats can be manipulated to say whatever you want them to say.
I'm not saying that's what Timvp did, but I am saying I think most people who are displeased with TP have a similar take to my previous post. Which is why I made it. Stats aside.
to everyone who would trade parker, you would be hard pressed to find someone as durable, with the type of game he plays, that would last a season outside of billups, and with their disparity in age, would be a horrible trade (parker is good everyone from argentina get over it)
You're right !! Actual facts and stats don't matter !! What's important is what you want to be true, no matter what reality is....
when people can't face reality, or don't wanna see it, notice how they always try to dismiss it first ("stats can be manipulated, etc.")...
And that's exactly why the Parker hate will never stop, no matter what the guy does : because the reality of his play and performances just doesn't really matter anymore...
when people can't face reality, or don't wanna see it, notice how they always try to dismiss it first ("stats can be manipulated, etc.")...
And that's exactly why the Parker hate will never stop, no matter what the guy does : because the reality of his play and performances just doesn't really matter anymore...
Well since Carlos Boozer's stats are better than Tim's then those stats tell you that he is a better player.
Those stats don't lie
True but the thread wasnīt posted last year or the year before,when he was less selfish,I think we are talking about this year,and donīt tell me you havenīt noticed that heīs became more selfish and flashie this year man.Here are the stats for last year in the playoffs and how the Big Three faired in clutch play -- clutch play defined as the 4th quarter or overtime with less than 5 minutes left and neither team ahead by more than 5 points.
Ginobili - .364 FG%, 4 turnovers
Duncan - .370 FG%, 4 turnovers
Parker - .450 FG%, 3 turnovers
But then again, that would go against Spurs fan legend
Bottomline is that Parker isn't James Silas but nobody on this team really is -- especially looking at the playoffs last year. It's amazing that Parker gets the choking tag when Manu had the foul on Dirk, the Artest steal leading to the Martin layup and the tip away against the Mavs that ended a game.
To get a clearer picture, don't forget to add Points scored per 48 min (amounts to about 10 games worth of crunch time).Same stats for the 2004-05 playoffs:
Ginobili - .417 FG%, 3 turnovers
Duncan - .400 FG%, 2 turnovers
Parker - .474 FG%, 2 turnovers
Not bad for a non-clutch player.
P.S.
Horry was off the charts in that playoff run:
Horry - .727 FG%, 1 turnover
To give you an idea of how clutch Horry was in the 2005 playoff run:
With Horry on the court during clutch play, the Spurs scored 124.1 points per 100 possessions and gave up 83.7 points per 100 possessions.
That's disgusting
Percentage isn't as meaningful because it doesn't take into account FTs, 3pters, and how often the player shoots etc....
Ive already defended parker in this thread, and am not looking to fight. but it seems to me this is a case of how much protagonism you have. For ex, kobe often has a lower percentage and more turnovers than say manu, but it is also becaues he shoots and handles the ball more. overall kobe is still better its just that he does more so he screws up more. In the 04-05 playoffs parker didnt have the ball much in the 4th, hence its not that surprising if he had a higher FG% or less turnovers- clutch is not that easy to define. (easiest way to see if thats the case is for you to post the rest of the stats: mpg, ppg, 3pFG%, stls, blks, ast, and also clarify if it is the whole 4th quarter or only the last 4 min etc)Same stats for the 2004-05 playoffs:
Ginobili - .417 FG%, 3 turnovers
Duncan - .400 FG%, 2 turnovers
Parker - .474 FG%, 2 turnovers
Not bad for a non-clutch player.
P.S.
Horry was off the charts in that playoff run:
Horry - .727 FG%, 1 turnover
To give you an idea of how clutch Horry was in the 2005 playoff run:
With Horry on the court during clutch play, the Spurs scored 124.1 points per 100 possessions and gave up 83.7 points per 100 possessions.
That's disgusting
I just think these fans are not parker haters but parker lovers.
Then they want to see him being the best point guard of the humanity history.
I just hope they won't see that when Tony will kick spurs ass in the future...
Damn Right my friend,and Spurs lovers mainly.
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