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Oh, in that case, where's the O'Brien trophy?
P.S.
Someone just said they would not trade Harris for 10 Kidds.
And I am the one who is blasted here routinely.
I think the possibility of this trade also highlights, perhaps, why the Spurs haven't done anything yet. It makes sense to me to be patient in this process (arms race) and let the other contenders make their moves and assess, at that point, whether a move is necessary and, if so, which move makes the most sense. Particularly since the Spurs' move won't be to go get a superstar sort of player.
Imagine if the Spurs had dealt away bigs to get a guard, only to find out that Shaq had ended up in Phoenix? or if they had dealt away guards to get a big, only to find out that Kidd had ended up in Dallas?
Let the dust settle -- we're still a week away from the deadline -- see what, if anything, might be necessary, and then make an appropriate move if you must. Typical Spurs.
Oh, in that case, where's the O'Brien trophy?
P.S.
Someone just said they would not trade Harris for 10 Kidds.
And I am the one who is blasted here routinely.
I agree with the suggestion of going after Diop. Outside of Tim, we don't have a frontline player that can offer any sort of reboundning or shotblocking presence. Which places was too much responsibility on Timmy to do EVERYTHING. In fact, we haven't had this since D-Rob left the building. Obtaining Diop, even if it's over the summer, would be quite a coup.
on a funny note -- how was Nash too old a few years back but Kidd is worth all this ?? Nash makes his teams better too... and he can shoot.
LA and Suns going big and Dallas going small ball to counter.
I wouldn't either. What would you do with 10 Kidds?
I'd take a single Kidd over Harris, in the short term at least, but I certainly wouldn't give up most of my bench rotation to do it.
yeah, they really did the NBA a favor by letting Nash walk
San Antonio.
I don't think Stackhouse could resign with Dallas after a buyout since he was just traded by Dallas. Could be wrong.
I think the Spurs will make a move, if for any other reason because they don't project the free agent market in their price range to be that attractive this summer plus they feel that they can get a good deal with some combination of their various players with expiring contracts. Moving, say, Elson + a pick + cash for Diop would be a shrewd move.
Weird deal. Kidd has done well with finishers like Jefferson, Carter, Martin (previously).
The only guy that might fit that role is Howard. It's going to shake things up, but I'm not sure it's to Dallas' benefit.
Last edited by Harry Callahan; 02-13-2008 at 04:32 PM.
I just can't understand how this trade makes any sense basketball wise.
Devin Harris has been so important for Dallas when they go small.... Jerry Stackhouse has been huge for them in the playoffs, especially against the spurs.... Diop was so important in guarding Duncan-- you have to think he would have helped guard Shaq and Bynum.... this trade tells me two things, 1) The mavericks are looking at phoenix as the team to beat (but i guess they missed that whole shaq trade? and 2) they want to go smaller, i doubt Eric Dampier gets any burn in the POs.
wow.... that's two consecutive teams that just hurt themselves for the sake of making a dumb trade to match LA.
The mavs are looking to matchup with golden state.
That's not a move. That's a mercy killing.
P.S.
Do you guys know who Jason Kidd is?
He's the guy that we sacrificed a couple years of Twin Towers potential to try to woo in the summer of 2003.
He gets triple-doubles like Devin Harris gets injuries.
Can you calm the down and stop ing? It seems that to you, the real NBA is like NBA Live. C'mon, let's bring Dwight Howard, Yao, Lebron, Kobe, Chris Paul, Paul Pierce, Chauncey Billups, Rasheed Wallace, Dirk Nowitzki and Dwayne Wade. Nevermind salaries, contracts, playing time, touches, defense, team work, match ups, chemistry or at ude. Every game is like the All Star Game.
Upgrading Oberto with Diop.
Wow.
That's like upgrading Vaughn with D. Stoudamire.
Wait.
Nevermind.
Jeez.
That was 5 years ago. Anyways, the Spurs went on to win a championship the following year without him.
Ghost's posts make sense if you imagine them spoken by Bill Walton in his normal sarcastic tone with cannabis smoke circling his head.
I don't see how this trade helps Dallas out.
You give up your flexibility offensively for a point guard who doesn't have the legs to defend like he used to, is shooting 36.5% from the field, and really doesn't bring anything more to the table (other than rebounding and decent passing) that Devin Harris and Jason Terry already don't bring every night.
I like what another poster said earlier in this thread. With Stackhouse, Harris, and Diop, the Mavs were built to beat the Spurs. And even going into the playoffs this year, the Mavs would have been favored in my opinion to beat the Spurs in a 7 game series.
But that changes now. Sure, this might help the Mavs beat Golden State, but now I don't see them beating the Spurs (who are the defending champions).
And with the lack of big man depth (Diop), I don't see how the Mavs can beat the Suns/Lakers/Utah contingent.
The only thing that I can think of is that AJ decided that Stackhouse and Diop were of no use to him, and that Harris's inconsistency drove him up the wall one too many times.
I just don't see how Jason Kidd appreciably improves the Mavs this season and beyond.
Weren't you ting all over Kidd 5 years ago back when he was good?
Fvck you.
We've seen Shaq, Gasol and now possibly Kidd traded to our biggest rivals, while our team continues to tread water.
And you're fine with that.
That's 47 year old Jason Kidd and 88 year old Shaq. Whoop de ing do.
On top of it Dallas just removed three Spurs killers.
What a ridiculous panic-motivated move this is:
1. Get an aging PG who can't shoot and whose D is overrated who would get slaughtered by the myriad of smaller quicker PG's in the WC like Parker, Paul, etc.
2. Give up a rising star in Devin Harris who's under a reasonable contract for a few more years for an old PG who's under contract for just 1 more year.
3. Reduce the big men behind Dirk and Damp to the undersized Bass and Howard and the defensively useless Fazekas when PHO just brought in Shaq and LAL just brought in Gasol and HOU still has Yao. You don't think Dirk and Damp are going to have to play a little more tentatively on D in an effort to keep out of foul trouble knowing there's Bass and little else behind them to guard a taller C if they foul out? Bass and Howard can't guard Shaq. They're way too small. They could probably guard one of his legs or maybe his kidney but that's it. Fazekas is a pylon with arms.
4. If we get Antoine Wright in a separate deal, who cares? He's a FA after the season, and we've just wasted a 2nd-round pick for a few months of a marginal player.
This is a knee-jerk short-term move that takes away from the future in order to supposedly give to the present, and what it gives to the present is of questionable value. This'll set us back years.
Looking at NJ's roster, the answer is indeed picks. They move Diop because he's a UFA this season, and I think this trade says that they are playing for ping-pong balls. That means make Diop an asset for their future either as Cap-space, but the rules state he can only be traded as an individual player for 1 week, or not until after the trade deadline (ie after he becomes an FA). Therefore, with his ~ 2,000,000 salary, he ain't making a lot of capspace... Your are left with either picks and cash (which the CBA limits to a maximum of 3,000,000 in any given trade). From SA's end, I would consider either the raptors 2008 2nd, or a Spurs 2009 1st for a NJ 08 2nd swap, or something along those lines...Remember, dealing for Diop is only for a rent a player until this summer.
PS all this stuff about Crackhouse being bought out. I think it's so much wishful thinking by Mavs fans. Crackhouse is under contract until 09/10 for a value of $21,000,000 including this year. Either Crackhouse takes a HUGE discount or NJ doesn't have that kind of cash lying around. Partcularly when crackhouse is still serviceable as a player...
My guess is there is another trade in the works for Dallas because this move doesn't make a whole lot of sense right now.
He is still good.
I felt it was smarter to get a big man in 2003.
I had no idea it would be Rasho.
Anyway, I can't believe people here hold Harris in such high regard.
Kidd kills him.
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