Carter:Another Spur missed trade opportunity

[smeagol]

Where the will Sequ and rascal hide when the Spurs win it all this year with "untalented" Parker and Ginobili?

At least Sequ is around to show some positive emotion when the Spurs win. But rascal is only here when the Spurs loose or to about "missed" trades.

Truly sad.

[Brodels]

While I agree that Pierce > Carter, I've seen a lot of him because of where I live and I don't think he would be a good fit for the same reasons that Carter wouldn't be a good fit. Pierce has got some issues and tends to sulk when the system isn't centered around him and when the ball isn't in his hands.

While we're fantasizing about the Spurs trading for another star, I'll start a list. I feel that Mike Redd, Ray Allen, Steve Nash, Kirilenko, Boozer, Kidd, and Ben Wallace would absolutely excel in the Spurs' system. I'm not advocating that the Spurs make any trades, but I can see how each of those players could fill a need and fit in right away.

[T Park]

Mike Redd would be fantastic to have.

Parker
Redd
Ginobili
Duncan
Nesterovic


would be fantastic.


Nash would excel, because of his piss poor D.

[Brodels]

Mike Redd would be fantastic to have.

Parker
Redd
Ginobili
Duncan
Nesterovic


would be fantastic.


Nash would excel, because of his piss poor D.

Nash can play anywhere and excel. His D isn't as bad as some claim.

I'd take the lineup above any day. It's well balanced, talented, and I just can't see how other teams could stop the Spurs from scoring.

That is, of course, if Pop removed the chains.

[RBallgame]

There is no way in I would give up Manu no way no how, The thing that makes the Spurs so good is Chemistry everyone Knows there role. we have 6 to 7 players locked for the next 4 to 7 yrs the main ones are Manu, Tony Parker, Tim Duncan, Brent Barry, and Bowen why mess up the Chemistry

[GoSpurs21]

but VC has helped the Nets win 5 straight and VC averaged 30+ points doing it, well that's what sequ believes

reality is VC is over rated and quits on his team...no way in do you allow a player like that on the Spurs again....Rodman was the one time experiment and it failed misserably....we dont need quitters

[Ghost Writer]

Welcome, rascal.

Excellent thread.

[rascal]

Brodels: Kobe and Shaq existed very well together basketball wise, 3 les and a finals appearance in 5 years. Their personalities were the problem not co-existing on the basketball court together.

I remember the majority on this board down playing the additions of Malone and Payton saying all those stars couldn't play together because there weren't enough balls to go around. Most were content with the role players the spurs had but they weren't enough to get past the Lakers.


And just go back 1 year, Detroit won a le with an all star mid season addition R Wallace. Wasn't Drexler another mid season addition to a championship team? I'll have to check on when the Rockets added Drexler.

[Nikos]

Sheed was not an all star, and is playing poorly this season. Somehow I think you are choosing to ignore this? Just because they took a chance and it worked, does not mean any athlete who is acquired on the Spurs will automatically yield a le. Its a matter of preference for the Spurs. If they feel they can get a good player and take on a good risk, they will. You cannot assume they did not try to get some players -- you act as if the Spurs are owed everything, and should automatically win the le cause of Duncans presense. If it were so damn obvious, do you not think Pop would do something about it by now?

Yes Kobe and Shaqs personality problems, why the heck do you think it is that the Spurs take role players who will fit rather than take chances on risky athletes who many would not fit the system? Again a matter of preference.

[rascal]

Brodels: And to answer to why the Kings and Blazers never won a le. They weren't the most talented teams. They were weak inside and didn't have a good enough center. Center is the most important position. Teams that have all star dominant offensive and defensive centers go far in the playoffs.

Shaq, Akeem and the Duncan/ Robinson combination were too much for these teams.

[Nikos]

Yeah Sabonis sure sucked. That Laker team despite winning 67 games looked pretty darn shaky until the Blazers collapsed that lead in the 4th.

All you do is state who wins with an 'I told you so' fashion. Then you wonder why others on this board don't respect your takes?

[Useruser666]

[smeagol]

Now Useruser 666, you've gone and given rascal and erection . .

[Extra Stout]

And just go back 1 year, Detroit won a le with an all star mid season addition R Wallace. Wasn't Drexler another mid season addition to a championship team? I'll have to check on when the Rockets added Drexler.

In both of those cases, the existing mix wasn't working, and it was worthwhile to add the "missing piece." Drexler provided the perimeter scoring Houston needed. Wallace provided frontcourt scoring and defensive length Detroit needed at the 4.

In both cases, since the team wasn't going to get over the top as is, it was worth the risk to add a player midseason. Wallace worked out perfectly for the Pistons. Drexler and the Rockets didn't get all the kinks worked out until the playoffs began.

On the Spurs, the current mix has them at 38-10. They are easily the NBA's best team, and are on pace for the fourth-best point differential* in NBA history (+11.0), better than any of the Showtime Laker teams, or Larry Bird's Celtic teams, or the 1966-67 Sixers. Statistically so far, the only teams in NBA history that have been stronger than these Spurs are the 1972 Lakers (+12.3, 69-13), the 1996 Bulls (+12.2, 72-10), and the 1971 Bucks (+12.2, 66-16). A Gaussian correlation** of the Spurs' season-to-date projects them finishing with 64-68 wins. It would be a galactic upset for these Spurs not to win the 2004-05 NBA championship. And yet for some incomprehensible reason, rascal wants them to make a complete overhaul to the roster.

If there is any Achilles' heel, it is very small, and it concerns their consistency.*** Roster overhaul can only hurt consistency.

"Corporate knowledge" from having their core players together now for three years is one of the most important elements of their offensive efficiency. It's taken at least half the season for Brent Barry finally to get comfortable. Why the frick would they want to add Vince Carter?

Vince Carter is not the missing piece on this team. If there is any at all, it would be a long small forward, or more help inside -- role players only. At this point, any major upheaval to the roster such as acquiring a new second scoring option can only cause harm. They have plenty of perimeter scoring. All Carter provides is unnecessary star power.

From what I can figure, rascal must be:
1) An inscrutable malcontent
2) A bitter enemy of Gregg Popovich
3) Secretly a fan of some other team
4) Severely lacking in hoops knowledge.

* Point differential has a stronger correlation to team strength than win-loss record.
** The Gaussian correlation uses point differential and the standard deviation of point differential to predict a winning percentage based against a normal distribution. It is a better predictor than actual win-loss record, or point differential alone.
*** While the Spurs' point differential is +11.0, the standard deviation is +/-11.6!!

[SequSpur]

Watching the Nets vs. the Pistons right now.......

Carter couldn't possibly form a dynasty next to Duncan, no frickin way.

He only has 41 pts, 11 boards, a few blocks, a few steals, and a handful of assists against the former champs and one of the best defenses in the NBA.

So please Shut the Up and quit overrating talent, Manu is no Carter.

Carter is bad ass.

[SequSpur]

Hmmm... nice pic, but it looks deformed, can you do another?

[exstatic]

From what I can figure, rascal must be:
1) An inscrutable malcontent
2) A bitter enemy of Gregg Popovich
3) Secretly a fan of some other team
4) Severely lacking in hoops knowledge.

1 and 4. He's Ghost Lite.

[SLOVENIAN 8]

[Mark in Austin]

wow. maybe we could trade for Carter, Webber, van Horn, Kwame Brown, and bring Hedo back too. Then we could have five players on the floor with no heart, no balls, and no chance of winning a championship.

Checked with the Portland Trailblazers lately? It takes more than talent to win a Championship.

[Brodels]

Brodels: Kobe and Shaq existed very well together basketball wise, 3 les and a finals appearance in 5 years. Their personalities were the problem not co-existing on the basketball court together.

I remember the majority on this board down playing the additions of Malone and Payton saying all those stars couldn't play together because there weren't enough balls to go around. Most were content with the role players the spurs had but they weren't enough to get past the Lakers.


And just go back 1 year, Detroit won a le with an all star mid season addition R Wallace. Wasn't Drexler another mid season addition to a championship team? I'll have to check on when the Rockets added Drexler.

Wallace and Drexler were parts to the puzzle. They weren't franshise players at the time and they didn't need tons of shots to be effective. Wallace plays defense and rebounds even if he isn't scoring. Drexler was a winner with intangibles and a pretty good sense of what his role needed to be.

Both players filled specific needs, and that's why they worked. Carter doesn't fill a specific need, and he's still needs a ton of shots. He doesn't do much else to help his team win if he isn't shooting the ball.

Kobe and Shaq complimented each other well. And when one was having a big game, the other was still very effective. Kobe plays great defense when he wants to and passes the ball very well. In his prime, Shaq could rebound and defend the paint with the best of them. They complimented each other well and did lots of things on the court.

The same is true with Malone. He willingly took a lesser role because he wasn't the player he was previously. He rebounded and played great defense. He provided leadership. Carter is a scorer. That's simply what he is.

And Payton didn't fit there at all. They didn't win because of Gary, they won in spite of Gary in the playoffs.

[Brodels]

Brodels: And to answer to why the Kings and Blazers never won a le. They weren't the most talented teams. They were weak inside and didn't have a good enough center. Center is the most important position. Teams that have all star dominant offensive and defensive centers go far in the playoffs.

Shaq, Akeem and the Duncan/ Robinson combination were too much for these teams.

Sabonis was arguably a top-six center when the Blazers were at their best. What else do you want? Vlade, too, was still one of the better centers in the game when he played with Sacramento. And both teams were pretty strong at power forward with Webber, Rasheed, and a healthy Brian Grant. Those teams were actually very strong inside. I'm not sure exactly what more you could possibly want from a frontcourt.

Besides, the Pistons won last year with a center that doesn't meet your criteria. If a winning team needs a competent offense and defensive center, Ben Wallace doesn't fit the bill. He's not very good offensively.

Robinson wasn't among the best centers in the league when the Spurs last won the championship. He was an important part of the team, but there were several centers in the league capable of doing more than he could do at that point.

And if you consider Bill Cartwright and Luc Longley to be upper echelon kind of guys, I suggest you watch some more Bulls games from the mid 90s.

[exstatic]

Portland wasn't talented. What a ty take. Then idiot-boy has the nerve, in the same post, to fawn all over the acquisition of 'Sheed last year by Detroit. Hey dumbass: 'Sheed was on those Portland teams!

[exstatic]

I was watching the movie Gattaca, and the similarities just jumped out at me. You have the underdog overachiever Vincent/Manu and the golden boy slacker Anton/Carter-McGrady. Twice, once as boys and once as adults, Vincent had to save Anton when they were having a contest to see who could swim further out into the ocean without turning back.
Anton: "We have to go back. We're out too far. How are you doing this Vincent?"
Vincent: "You want to know how I beat you? I never saved anything for the swim back."

That's Manu, in a nuts .

[smeagol]

Carter couldn't possibly form a dynasty next to Duncan, no frickin way.

He only has 41 pts, 11 boards, a few blocks, a few steals, and a handful of assists against the former champs and one of the best defenses in the NBA.

So please Shut the Up and quit overrating talent, Manu is no Carter.

Carter is bad ass.

He scored 41 pts but he took 27 shots. Against PHO, Manu took 22 shots and scored 48 pts.

Carter did it against a good team, Manu did it against the second best team in the league.

You point is . . .?

[ALVAREZ6]

You point is . . .?

What he's trying to say is he wants to be butt- ed by Carter.

I mean, nothing else makes sense.