Official Hurricane Katrina Thread

ObiwanGinobili · 08-31-2005

I'd be more concerned about other crap in the diesel. Diesels MUST have clean fuel to operate.

apparently they are just waiving the standards for SULPHER in diesel (emissions)... not gunk or anything

Aggie Hoopsfan · 08-31-2005

TV's? Computers? What the are you going to do with a computer when you are sitting in a shelter or sitting on a highway trying to stay dry.

Barter? Well, that's the righteous/smart part of me talking, but I think a lot of these folks are just going the " society" route on this.

EPA announcing they are temporarily removing standards for gasoline and deisal fuel.
effective unitll Sept 15th 2005.
applies to violability standards and sulphr in diesal standards.

Great, so now it will still cost $3.00 a gallon to gas up and the gas will be fvcking up my truck.

After it broke, thats probably all they could do. , thats probably all they could do all along. Water is a .

True, I think it was pretty obvious seeing that gaping gap in the levee that there wasn't anything they could do about it. That's why when people rag on them for not getting the sandbags in there and instead going and rescueing people (like they were doing yesterday evening), I laugh. It's pretty obvious that with NO in the shape it's in there was no way of faciliting resources and materials necessary to close that thing in time.

MannyIsGod · 08-31-2005

Originally Posted by ObiwanGinobili

Dept. Of Trans announcing they are waiving rules for truckers driving hours.

Probably not very smart. I worked dispatching truckers, and some of those ers would lie to me as it was regarding their hours. A tired driver is a very ing dangerous driver.

j-6 · 08-31-2005

Blanco thinks the ACoE dropped the ball on the levee situation.

MannyIsGod · 08-31-2005

12:52 A.M. - Governor Blanco: We will rebuild.

12:51 A.M. - Governor Blanco: The magnitude of this is overwhelming.

SWC Bonfire · 08-31-2005

Originally Posted by ObiwanGinobili

apparently they are just waiving the standards for SULPHER in diesel (emissions)... not gunk or anything

Yes, I read that. What that means is that they can sell high-SULFUR

diesel for use in tractors and off-road use to motorists and truckers to keep the supply up.

MannyIsGod · 08-31-2005

2 things that are really petty off topic....

WWLTV needs to win some awards for their coverage. Its been outstanding. From the blog they are running, to their on air/live feed coverage. It's been awesome.

Secondly, how much traffic goes up and down the Mississippi? With the river being closed, how much shipping is having to be done other ways?

SWC Bonfire · 08-31-2005

Originally Posted by j-6

Blanco thinks the ACoE dropped the ball on the levee situation.

The Army Corps of Engineers are a bunch of ups who deal in politics more than actual engineering.

Jelly · 08-31-2005

Originally Posted by j-6

Blanco thinks the ACoE dropped the ball on the levee situation.

this is not the time for her and the mayor to be pointing fingers...especially publicly.

ObiwanGinobili · 08-31-2005

Originally Posted by SWC Bonfire

high-SULFUR

diesel

i knew you'd like that.

MannyIsGod · 08-31-2005

Well, if nothing else, the ACoE really ed with the initial levee design to begin with. Making levees that only withstand a cat 3 beating is like making a airbag that only deploys if you're going below 30mph.

MannyIsGod · 08-31-2005

Originally Posted by Jelly

this is not the time for her and the mayor to be pointing fingers...especially publicly.

That I agree with.

Jelly · 08-31-2005

Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Well, if nothing else, the ACoE really ed with the initial levy design to begin with. Making levees that only withstand a cat 3 beating is like making a airbag that only deploys if you're going below 30mph.

I'm sure they designed around whatever budget was being provided. All this probably comes down to the community, government, taxpayers et al. not wanting to spend the money.

j-6 · 08-31-2005

Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

2 things that are really petty off topic....

WWLTV needs to win some awards for their coverage. Its been outstanding. From the blog they are running, to their on air/live feed coverage. It's been awesome.

WWL is badass. I read up on them last night, and they've got a pretty impressive resume. Here's the link.

http://www.wwltv.com/aboutus/aboutus.html

I bet I've forwarded their feed site to fifty people.

MannyIsGod · 08-31-2005

I found their feed on Saturday whlie surfing weather blogs. Great .

ObiwanGinobili · 08-31-2005

Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

2 things that are really petty off topic....

Secondly, how much traffic goes up and down the Mississippi? With the river being closed, how much shipping is having to be done other ways?

as far as i know - a load.

grains and all other things we export come down that river from the mid-west.
car parts..
even stuff from canada.
and then imported stuff like cars and what not go up the river.

SWC Bonfire · 08-31-2005

Well, as much as I hate to defend the corps of engineers, the levies were designed for a certain amount of water. Whether that correlated with the amound of storm surge and rainfall within a certain strength storm, who knows. But the design of the levies wasn't based on or limited by wind loads, like hurricanes are classified by.

MannyIsGod · 08-31-2005

12:56 A.M. - Governor Blanco - Time is not on our side for stopping the levee break. There were two breaches, when we thought there was only one. Communicatiion, or lack of same caused the problem.

12:55 A.M. - MIAMI (AP) -- Miami-based Carnival Cruise Lines says it is considering a federal request that the company use some of its cruise ships as emergency shelters or help in Hurricane Katrina relief efforts in some other way.

12:53 A.M. - Governor Blanco - thousands still need to be rescued.

Extra Stout · 08-31-2005

Secondly, how much traffic goes up and down the Mississippi? With the river being closed, how much shipping is having to be done other ways?

25% of all cargo transport in the United States of America goes up and down the Mississippi. Our economy is seriously ed until it can be reopened to barge traffic.

Stock up on canned food, kerosene, and seed.

Extra Stout · 08-31-2005

Also, repent.

j-6 · 08-31-2005

Originally Posted by Jelly

this is not the time for her and the mayor to be pointing fingers...especially publicly.

She didn't want to comment, initially. When prodded a little bit by the reporter she said that to say she was disappointed would be a huge understatement.

Manny, that sound right?

MannyIsGod · 08-31-2005

Originally Posted by SWC Bonfire

Well, as much as I hate to defend the corps of engineers, the levies were designed for a certain amount of water. Whether that correlated with the amound of storm surge and rainfall within a certain strength storm, who knows. But the design of the levies wasn't based on or limited by wind loads, like hurricanes are classified by.

Those wind loads are what determines what amount of water will be pushed in. The winds are the driving force behind the surge.

SWC Bonfire · 08-31-2005

Well, don't be surprized if they demolish impediments to barge traffic in the next couple of days.

MannyIsGod · 08-31-2005

Originally Posted by Extra Stout

25% of all cargo transport in the United States of America goes up and down the Mississippi. Our economy is seriously ed until it can be reopened to barge traffic.

Stock up on canned food, kerosene, and seed.

Son of a . And thats now shipping htat has to be done in ways that involve gasoline, which will on exacerbate the problem.

Jelly · 08-31-2005

um...there is no time for Carnival to be "considering a request". Geez, just do it.

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