*strenuously withholding the urge to go off on another anti-Blanco tirade*
Carnival has to consider its ships and whether or not it can afford to do something like this. If you were a shareholder of or someone who worked for Carnival, you would want them to be prudent about it. Would you like your cmopany to go under because they were being good samaritans? Jesus.
Well, I would imagine that a certain pressure drop would cause a certain rise in flooding. The problem is: how large (how widespread) is this storm? A category 4 can have high winds and low pressure over a very small area. It can also be hundreds of miles wide. This GREATLY affects how much flooding occurs, along with how much area is in the storm surge floodplain. The amount of water, along with the volume it is trying to occupy is very variable, even within the same classification of storm.
Another variable is storm speed and rainfall ac ulation. So saying the levies were designed for a cat 3 storm is a bit misguiding.
re: Carnival
I got an email with their new Katrina specials going out of Galveston yesterday morning. They wasted no time with that one.
Tell her to get a construction science degree and then she can talk. Shut up and lead. She had plenty of chances in her position to heed the warnings of all the scientists who said something needed to be done to better protect New Orleans, but couldn't be bothered.Blanco thinks the ACoE dropped the ball on the levee situation.
Quit trying to scapegoat the ACoE. If she was really expecting them to stop a whole lake from trying to pour through a 500 ft. wide gap she was kidding herself to begin with.
, do it. In contrast, it's interesting how much respect Nagin is getting from WWL and WDSU.
Pressure drops have nothing to do with storm surge. That is a false assumption people make a lot of the time. And the area of a storm really doesn't come into play that much when determining hte height and amount of storm surge.
A storm with catagory 4 winds will have storm surge equivlant to those winds along anywhere those winds are. A larger storm will cover more area but the height of the storm surge won't increase, you'll just have a larger area with the same height.
And rainfall amounts don't usually go up with the storm catagories. Rainfall amounts and they flooding they may cause are usually insignificant when compared to the surge coming in.
The ACoE should have prepared for a catagory 5 storm surge. There really isn't much else to say about it.
Reality setting in... no way you stop that amount of force. Don't people realize this? A locomotive has nothing on flowing water.Quit trying to scapegoat the ACoE. If she was really expecting them to stop a whole lake from trying to pour through a 500 ft. wide gap she was kidding herself to begin with.
I agree 100%.WWLTV needs to win some awards for their coverage. Its been outstanding. From the blog they are running, to their on air/live feed coverage. It's been awesome.
They are the calming, uniting voice of this disaster. Informative, and not sensational. Such a valuable service.
Per Cnnmoney.com
BREAKING
NEWS Oil tumbles nearly $2 a barrel to about $68 in late New York commodities trading. More soon.
There's plenty of blame to be spread around, and in hindsight she'll get more than her share. So will the ACoE. I just hope the absolute maximum effort is being put forth into rescue and all these pipe dreams of cutting off the lake (which most of use were saying 20+ hours ago) are being abandoned.
Oh, and about my above post on storm surge...
The area of a storm does effect the amount of water because as the areial coverage of the surge itself goes up, so does the entire volume of water. But it does not effect the height and amount in a given space, it just increases the space the surge occours in.
Am I being clear?
How much more would that have cost and was New Orleans willing to pay for it. I imagine they probably built whatever they could with whatever budget they were given.
I hope one result of this is more local engineering input by people vested in local interests than the autocratic (and bureaucratic) COE.
WWL Blog:
1:12 P.M. - WWL-TV's Josh McElveen describes the stench coming from the bathrooms in the Superdome as horrific.
Anyone have a solid number on how many people are really in there?
Which brings up yet another question. How long untill health amount the people trapped begins to deteriorate? Between the unsanitary conditions and the stress, I can't imagine many people have much of an immune system left.
1:12 P.M. - WWL-TV's Josh McElveen describes the stench coming from the bathrooms in the Superdome as horrific.
1:03 P.M. - Mayor Nagin: Medical ship on the way to New Orleans.
Projects by the ACoE are federally funded (I think), so that cost and how much NO was willing to pay is a non issue.
Besides, what is the point of building a system of protection that doesn't protect you against a very likely situation. A catagory 5 or even 4 storm is far from out of the question for a place like NO. In fact, it is a very likely and inevitable situation.
I've heard 20,000-60,000, so no.
We all knew this was coming...1:19 P.M. - (AP) Mayor Ray Nagin says at least hundreds of people are dead -- maybe thousands -- in New Orleans.
1:19 P.M. - (AP) Mayor Ray Nagin says at least hundreds of people are dead -- maybe thousands -- in New Orleans.
If that number stays in the hundreds, it'll be a miracle.
flood Statement
National Weather Service New Orleans-baton Rouge La
Issued By National Weather Service Mobile Al
115 Pm Cdt Wed Aug 31 2005
...catastrophic Flooding Continues In The New Orleans Area...
Water Levels In The City Of New Orleans Continue To Rise. All
Indications Are That Water Levels Will Continue To Slowly Rise This
Afternoon.
As Rescue And Relief Efforts Continue For Stranded Victims...the
Important Thing Is To Remain Calm And Follow The Directions Of Local
Officials So That You Do Not Hinder Such Efforts. If You Are
Instructed To Leave New Orleans By Authorities...then Do So!
If You Are Reading This Message Outside Of New Orleans...do Not Go
There. Additional People Will Only Complicate The Aforementioned
Rescue And Relief Efforts. If You Are On Higher Ground In The Midst
Of This Flooding And You Happen To Receive This Message By Whatever
Means...do Not Assume The Water Level Will Not Continue To Rise Over
Your Location. Be Prepared To Quickly Seek Higher Ground.
Finally...and If You In The Midst Of The Flooding In Progress...be
Especially Cautious Of Dangerous Sharp Objects That Are Under The
Water Surface And/or Holes That Could Cause You To Suddenly Be Over
Your Head. If Possible...try To Avoid The Contact Of Cuts And
Scrapes On Your Body To The Flood Waters.
Medlin
$$
You're talking about a wall of water that put tanker ships half a mile inland, that picked up a 6 story casino building off its foundation and moved it 300 yards.There's plenty of blame to be spread around, and in hindsight she'll get more than her share. So will the ACoE.
And you're expecting sandbags to stop that kind of thing?
Manny, I suspect that part of the deal with the levees is that they concluded in a direct hit by a cat 5 hurricane (they are saying the surge was cat5 level) they were ed anyway.
http://www.cnn.com/
> BREAKING NEWS
Federal officials declare public health emergency for entire Gulf Coast. Details soon.
But he cried in public, how can that be?
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