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Simmons did one thing that Kawhi couldn't... helped to land Fultz in a trade.It would be impossible for him to do worse than he did in Orlando, he's having one of the worst seasons in recent history
That's the kind of mindset that has kept us from winning it all in 5 years and one of the main reasons why we've never repeated.
Simmons did one thing that Kawhi couldn't... helped to land Fultz in a trade.It would be impossible for him to do worse than he did in Orlando, he's having one of the worst seasons in recent history
- In a results oriented business, the usual suspects got done what they wanted to and the Spurs once again failed. There was no sense of trading for DeRozan and having a veteran core only to not give them a puncher's chance at a decent playoff run and they could have done it without mortgaging the future.
- The Gasol trade makes no sense. Naturally, it's being overhyped because everything Raptors is now and he's a former star, but most would be criticized for taking on a declining, outdated big, reverting to more two big lineups, decimating perimeter depth and further altering once strong chemistry.
- The Grizzlies should have received prospects/picks. Not solid, young vets, who help decrease the odds of top 3-5 picks. Getting the corpse of Bradley instead of picks for Green and Temple was another fail.
- Mirotic isn't the name Harris or Gasol are, but he was the best pickup. Lopez probably can't play significant minutes deep in the playoffs, but he can. Media is too busy slurping Raptors to notice them though.
- Fultz is worth a shot for the Magic, even though I have zero confidence in his amounting to anything and wouldn't be surprised if he washes out of the league soon.
- More great work by the Clippers and surprisingly good work by the Pelicans.
The only issue I have with that, is what they have actually done by remaining pat is LOSE flexibility, by letting Pau's contract expire as an asset.
Instead of moving pieces to have PLAYER X (Porter, Prince,) + the MLE this summer
They will now have NOTHING + MLE
They were constrained to the MLE either way. Better to have had a player + MLE than nothing + MLE.
Meanwhile RC is recovering from a hangover ....
probly forgot the deadline was today ...
No worries guys Spurs will draw in those good free agents! Oh wait....
Overstatement for a chuckle. Both of those guys could have been moved - just not for the return craved by most posters. (and PATFO?)Who would want either of them?
It's a very short list of teams that are content with being a middling team right now..Spurs are one of them, since Pop is nearing retirement..
Yeah, I just want some new blood running the show - some people who still are driven to get to the top. The right thing for Pop to have done was retire immediately after last season. Let a new regime begin to mold the franchise at that pivotal moment. The next right thing would be for Pop to retire after this season. But I thoroughly expect him to "honor" the remainder of his contract. He will leave the Spurs as the Portland of Texas.
Just like Dwight Howard couldn't be traded or Carmelo Anthony or Otto Porter or fill in the blank with the awful contract..... The Spurs desperately need a GM that gets things done instead of a personal secretary to the head coach who's been mailing it in for years.
This has become probably the most stale organization in the league. Even the Knicks and Kings are getting out of the dark ages.
The majority of things they used to abide by should have been thrown out the window. Until they start realizing that they're now just another team (basically, a rich man's Hornets or Pistons) and need to play by the rules that most do, they're not going anywhere.
Things like character, chemistry, continuity, culture, leadership, "system", etc., people don't cares about these things. They'll give lip service to it, but look who's hot at the moment: Celtics, Rockets, Raptors, etc., teams that are cut throat, never satisfied and treat the players like meat.
There is some kind of happy medium. The things you mention are not entirely negligible. But "loyalty" to the likes of Pau or even Patty (although I don't hate him like many here) is simply ridiculous. And how does that "loyalty" jibe with what the team did with Danny?
DeMar mucking things up on the court, and he is an expensive redundancy. When Dijon returns we should have a guard rotation that does not need DeMar. And we can get by without him this season. With or without him the Spurs aren't contenders this season. I bet the guy's winshare this season is a wash. How does continuing to pay him make sense? Be a little bold; make a move for the benefit of the future.
They could have been moved, but like you said, the return wouldn't have been good..it's a short list of teams that would want them and it would be teams that have put themselves in a terrible position(like the Wizards or Heat, etc)
The Spurs put themselves in a position where they built a team around those guys in an attempt to remain relevant..nobody is trading anything special for either of them, so they mean more to the Spurs than anything they could get back, unfortunately..
I get why the Spurs kept Patty. Guys like Forbes are learning a lot from him.
Now Gasol, I've got zero idea because centers aren't usually good mentors.
Give Derozan the benefit of the doubt. It's just his first year. He's going to still get better next year. Look at Aldridge. He's playing better than ever.
Spurs are a small market team and the best that they can do is buy players on the cheap and develop them further.
The real problem of the Spurs is that their basketball organization knowledge has spread throughout the league. Warriors (Kerr, Brown), Jazz (Snyder), Bucks (Bud), Nets (Marks), OKC (Presti), 76ers (Brent Brown), Hornets (Borrego).
Celtics, Rockets, Raptors. How many championships in the last 10 years? Boston 1, Rockets 0, Raps not even close. I’m also frustrated with PATFO standing pat when everybody’s cramming to add another player, and I hope, for goodness sake, Spurs make a bold move for once, but nope they take the conservative route and not the short-cut detour. But surprisingly they get there by the end of the day. Arguably we would’ve been on the hunt if not for that effing nephew. If not for the Patriots getting another trophy, we would’ve been the best professional sports organization for the last 20 years. 2nd now imo. 9-10 teams who made moves today, will see those players traded next year or so. Spurs does not flinch, but make calculated educated moves. It’s boring, but being in a small market, is there any other way? It’s the safest way. Being frugal and not extravagant. I guess I always just trust the Pop/RC way. It’s not always sexy, but I’ve enjoyed the 5 trophies so far. I still hope we get that elusive 3 and D from the buyout. Next year when Dubs finally imploded, Spurs will be there. For now Spurs weather the storm. GSG!
I think the return would have been good in my opinion. I proposed a DeRozan + Toronto's first for OPJ and the Wiz's 1st. The Wiz would have probably done that or something close. But many here (including you?) disparage OPJ. Yet he is a better than average player at a position of need with a desired skillset. That would be much better than an expensive redundancy like DeMar. And I can live with the idea that we gave up a guy who was an "all-star" at one time who doesn't fit with the team very well.
Yeah... small market team needs to do things differently. Now if Spurs move to perhaps Seattle, then it'll be entirely different.
I think you discount Derozan's potential.
This is a false premise. What were you going to get for Gasol? You were going to have to give up assets to move off his deal. So it’s not Nothing + MLE, or Something + MLE. You have to subtract assets from part 2.
Adding a MLE guy to this team ain’t bad. And they can trade Gasol in the offseason too! Though cap figures are tougher then because of matching issue.
+1000. Trust in the process. The Spurs are methodical in their approach and allow our young guys to develop.
Should the spurs get Enes Kanter or Wes Matthews?
Let's get real here.... there are a ton of free agents this offseason. Most of the guys that got traded had expiring contracts.... Mirotic, Gasol, Porzingis, Harris, Hood,...
Matthews is heading for the Pacers. I will not be surprised if Kanter plays for OKC.
Kanter is intriguing but I'd hate to stunt Poeltl's growth and playing time.
Kanter is a huge defensive liability, i would go with RoLo and Ellington but i dont see anything happening if contending teams go after them. I read somewhere that Toronto needs 3 players to fill the roster, i'm pretty sure they're gonna get a few of them.
That's the problem. Spurs real need is a 3-D player.
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