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    Gauging prospect upside based on hand size is as ridiculous as it gets.

    this is the hardest face palm I’ve ever done on my face. Jesus
    Yeah but was your hand bigger than your face?

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    Which is why I think we should tamper any dreams Samanic will be a star unless he becomes Hedo Torkuglu like on the outside. His small hands make his moves longer and harder to gather, especially in the paint where he seems to keep the ball so low on his finishes. He measured 8.5 length and 9.0 width. Hands of a SG really. https://www.nbadraft.net/2019-nba-dr...-measurements/
    It helps a lot, but not everything. Keldon’s hands are 8/9.25 inches but doesn’t prevent him from finishing dunks and corraling rebounds. And depends on the position and style of play. That’s why I’m not totally sold on Sengun. I would love to have him in my team in the gym. He’s a swiss army knife, but is he physical enough to play C in the NBA? Maybe a point forward role like a Diaw (but Boris was deceptively athletic). Still I’d rather put my money on an athletic freak like Jalen, Moody and Barnes, but he’s a pipe dream.

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    Oh he small hands he no good

    is this real life
    They certainly didn’t put the shoe size or eye color, because they are insignificant. But hands length is. As mentioned not everything, but they do have advantages especially on what position. It it’s a catch and shoot guy, then it wouldn’t matter. Heck Bertans plays with 9 1/2 fingers But I think the Spurs’ need is a bigger SF, a PF/C who can play big and shoot outside. That position would be nice not having one with a T-Rex hands
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    Gauging prospect upside based on hand size is as ridiculous as it gets.

    this is the hardest face palm I’ve ever done on my face. Jesus
    I’m just putting 1 and 2 together. I’ve seen Samanic play and his weaknesses are what I pointed out in my previous post. He tends to take a long time to get his shot off in the paint. If you’ve seen his Gleague play you know this guy gets the ball poked out A Lot. If you are a big guy you need big hands because when you are in the paint it gets swiped at from all angles and if you can’t hold on to it or keep it away from a defender then you will struggle in many situations. I think there was a reason Pop has been playing Luka as more of a 3 than a 4 because his potential inside is limited because of his hands. If you’ve seen what small hands can do to a big like Kwame Brown check those “All the Smoke” podcast with Arenas when they were talking about Kwame. Phil Jackson also said the biggest difference between Kobe and Jordan was hands the way Jordan could just control the ball whenever and wherever he wanted. And if you’ve seen Kawhi play, you can see how he utilizes it. Not saying Luka will be bad but any chance he becomes a force in the paint or going to the hoop like Giannis or something should be completely forgotten. He will need to hone his guard skills because he has the hands of a guard.

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    28 Days until the Draft...

    That's 4 weeks... the countdown continues...

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    For the Wagner fans...



    Will be uploaded to YouTube a day or so later if can't make it.

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    Perhaps it’s because he has english as a second language, but this interview gives me Manu vibes. We’re gonna need all the Spanish translators back on this board if he gets drafted

    give us a bit of that latin flavor back

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    Perhaps it’s because he has english as a second language, but this interview gives me Manu vibes. We’re gonna need all the Spanish translators back on this board if he gets drafted

    give us a bit of that latin flavor back
    yeah, I'm ready. Liking this dude tbh but I haven't kept a close eye on this draft whatsoever.

    Who's your sleeper pick, D? I'm guessing, but besides Duarte, lol

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    Perhaps it’s because he has english as a second language, but this interview gives me Manu vibes. We’re gonna need all the Spanish translators back on this board if he gets drafted

    give us a bit of that latin flavor back
    He's a nice size SG with Kyle Thompson accuracy and Harden step-back shots. Pretty amazing if we could get him but not at 12th. I don't know what to give up to get him at high teens.

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    yeah, I'm ready. Liking this dude tbh but I haven't kept a close eye on this draft whatsoever.

    Who's your sleeper pick, D? I'm guessing, but besides Duarte, lol
    sleeper? Like Desmond Bane or Immanuel Quickley type sleeper? Probably Jeremiah Earl Robinson.

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    He's a nice size SG with Kyle Thompson accuracy and Harden step-back shots. Pretty amazing if we could get him but not at 12th. I don't know what to give up to get him at high teens.
    if the Spurs view him as a future star, there’s no need to play games. Just draft him with whatever you have. When you follow consensus, you miss out on diamonds.

    duarte could skip the draft and yield a $15 mil contract right now.

    his offense is better than half the league.

    his leadership reputation is icing on the cake.

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    Duarte has really grown on me. Kids really good offensively. his shot is so nice! I like Sengun and Jones, but this kid Duarte could easily sneak into the lottery! I definitely get
    Klay Thompson vibes like it was mentioned, I know he will have just turned 24, but man hes good on offense, 3 level scorer with very good efficiency...I know we got guards, but i wouldnt be mad if he was the spurs pick...

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    Perhaps it’s because he has english as a second language, but this interview gives me Manu vibes. We’re gonna need all the Spanish translators back on this board if he gets drafted

    give us a bit of that latin flavor back
    idk if thats the Latin connection but there are moments that he just sounds/says/pronounces things exactly like Manu does. Obviously he has a deeper voice than Manu.

    Speaking of Manu, I miss him giving interviews. It was fun watching his interviews.

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    idk if thats the Latin connection but there are moments that he just sounds/says/pronounces things exactly like Manu does. Obviously he has a deeper voice than Manu.

    Speaking of Manu, I miss him giving interviews. It was fun watching his interviews.
    Exactly, I’m glad it wasn’t just me noticing his diction.

    btw, he follows Manu on IG.

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    For all the tanking fans, we finally have a team that is proof that tanking works. Go Suns Go

    Draft young guys that are actually good and then sign that hungry vet. Seems to be a good way to build a team. Next year we are looking at a top 7 pick. So let’s see what happens. Gotta capitalize on these picks so we can trade away our talent now to fit for our future winning. I’m looking at you DJ and Lonnie

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    For all the tanking fans, we finally have a team that is proof that tanking works. Go Suns Go

    Draft young guys that are actually good and then sign that hungry vet. Seems to be a good way to build a team. Next year we are looking at a top 7 pick. So let’s see what happens. Gotta capitalize on these picks so we can trade away our talent now to fit for our future winning. I’m looking at you DJ and Lonnie
    ayton was their #1 but other than that, the suns are booker (#13), malik bridges (who they got via trade after drafting zhaire smith at #16-bridges was 10th), crowder and paul (FA signing and trade). and this is the core of their success. i guess one could argue that ayton is the justification for the tank here but the suns are more than just a product of tanking.

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    ayton was their #1 but other than that, the suns are booker (#13), malik bridges (who they got via trade after drafting zhaire smith at #16-bridges was 10th), crowder and paul (FA signing and trade). and this is the core of their success. i guess one could argue that ayton is the justification for the tank here but the suns are more than just a product of tanking.
    Don't forget that Ayton was like, born and raised in Phoenix, went to college there, all the shebazz. Definitely not the kind of "normal" relationship between a #1 pick and their ty franchise that we're seeing nowadays (ahem, Zion). I can see him playing out his entire career for the Suns, especially if they manage to win a chip either this year or somewhere down the line.

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    ayton was their #1 but other than that, the suns are booker (#13), malik bridges (who they got via trade after drafting zhaire smith at #16-bridges was 10th), crowder and paul (FA signing and trade). and this is the core of their success. i guess one could argue that ayton is the justification for the tank here but the suns are more than just a product of tanking.
    Ayton is who I am talking about. Bridges as well but he is still a top 10 pick. The Suns actually traded one of their young players for an even better young player. Hmmm… must be nice

    But Ayton is a beast. He’s like Poeltl except he’s athletic, can actually put the ball in the hoop, always finishes strong, plays defense, AND can shoot free throws so you can’t hack him. Poeltl is who you get at the 10th pick for a big man and Ayton as the #1 pick. There is a difference. But yeah the Suns got lucky in their draft day steal of Booker (maybe Duarte is ours) and then sucked and got some additional top 10 picks that can actually play after some seasoning and they paid a hungry vet in Chris Paul who wants to win so badly that his leadership took them over the top.

    So here’s hoping we can follow this route. Or the Dallas route of drafting a Superstar and then trading all our picks away for a a legit #2 player. Not that Dallas did that in Kristaps but the idea was there

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    The Mavericks front office is a mess. One pick (Luka D) does not change that. Mark Cuban should receive the Donald Sterling treatment given the people he has allowed to work for him over the past 20 years. Some truly rotten people - especially the team president (Ursari) who was a true predator.

    The Suns waited a LONG time for this moment in the Sun. I'm digging a Suns - Hawks/Bucks final. The TV ratings will be something to behold.

    At least there is a one year break from the usual annoying creeps.

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    Ayton is who I am talking about. Bridges as well but he is still a top 10 pick. The Suns actually traded one of their young players for an even better young player. Hmmm… must be nice

    But Ayton is a beast. He’s like Poeltl except he’s athletic, can actually put the ball in the hoop, always finishes strong, plays defense, AND can shoot free throws so you can’t hack him. Poeltl is who you get at the 10th pick for a big man and Ayton as the #1 pick. There is a difference. But yeah the Suns got lucky in their draft day steal of Booker (maybe Duarte is ours) and then sucked and got some additional top 10 picks that can actually play after some seasoning and they paid a hungry vet in Chris Paul who wants to win so badly that his leadership took them over the top.

    So here’s hoping we can follow this route. Or the Dallas route of drafting a Superstar and then trading all our picks away for a a legit #2 player. Not that Dallas did that in Kristaps but the idea was there
    Deandre Ayton this year, 0-3 feet 53%; career 49%

    Jakob Poeltl this year 0-3 feet 58%; career 67%

    Phoenix didn’t progress because they tanked, they progressed because they traded for an All NBA and surefire HOF PG. without Paul, they’re likely a first round out.

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    Deandre Ayton this year, 0-3 feet 53%; career 49%

    Jakob Poeltl this year 0-3 feet 58%; career 67%

    Phoenix didn’t progress because they tanked, they progressed because they traded for an All NBA and surefire HOF PG. without Paul, they’re likely a first round out.
    I literally did say that. But they were in a position to add that hungry vet in Chris Paul. We add Chris Paul and we don’t even sniff the finals. And yeah you’re right, Poeltl would’ve finished that ally oop. He also would have a near 20 20 game in the playoffs and have double doubles in 7 out of his last 10 playoff games with 2 that he didn’t he was at 9 rebounds.

    If you’re saying that Poeltl is a stronger finisher than Ayton then idk what to tell you. If you think Poeltl is better than Ayton then I don’t know what to tell you. But bringing up field goal percentage when Ayton makes double the amount of field goals than Poeltl isn’t a compelling argument.

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    Summary from the new article on The Athletic, only including top 15 because who cares after that:

    1. Detroit Pistons – Cade Cunningham, G/F, Oklahoma State, 19 years old

    "The Pistons are going to take Cunningham. We can get into the thought exercises of whether or not it’s fine to consider someone else like USC big man Evan Mobley or guards Jalen Green or Jalen Suggs...But let me ask you a question: Did you happen to see if any of those guys were Cade Cunningham?"

    Trade Possible?: No because Cade

    2. Houston Rockets – Jalen Suggs, G, Gonzaga, 19 years old

    "Grabbing a star guard for the future is more pressing for the Rockets, however. That leaves them with the decision between Suggs and Green. And while Green seems to be the more highly touted prospect, I think Suggs is the better fit here...The biggest problem here is his shooting, as he was not a great catch-and-shoot guy at Gonzaga (but he also didn’t have a lot of those chances)."

    Trade Possible?: No because Rockets tanked on purpose

    3. Cleveland Cavaliers – Evan Mobley, C, USC, 19 years old

    "It’s a little complicated with the Jarrett Allen presence on the Cavs, assuming they re-sign him in restricted free agency this summer, but the hope is that both guys can play a mix of on the perimeter and around the basket...The Cavs can also re-sign Allen and go with a rotation of him and Mobley for a couple years until it’s obvious that Mobley needs to be the full-time guy."

    Trade Possible?: Maybe? GM Koby Altman has been very aggressive in trading during his tenure

    4. Toronto Raptors – Jalen Green, G, G-League Ignite, 18 years old

    "I think the Raptors are getting either Suggs or Green in this draft, and either one is a win for them...His shooting should be there at the NBA level and we saw some positive signs of it at the G League level. The question is whether he can be a lead guard you run your offense through. He’s not a great passer, and he really struggled in the pick-and-roll for G League Ignite. You don’t want to judge him too harshly for that because it’s an entirely new experience."

    Trade Possible?: Maybe? Depends on Masai Ujiri committing to the org long term + if MLSE will allow him to be aggressive in acquiring veteran talent

    5. Orlando Magic – Jonathan Kuminga, G/F, G-League Ignite, 18 years old

    "I had Scottie Barnes here for the Orlando Magic until Kuminga had an encouraging shooting performance at the pre-draft activities. If that’s a sign of shooting development to come, there is zero reason to believe he’ll fall outside of the top 5 in this draft."

    Trade Possible?: Maybe? Packaging 5+8 as the basis of a deal to move up

    6. Oklahoma City Thunder – Scottie Barnes, F, Florida State, 19 years old

    "He’s the perfect project for the Oklahoma City Thunder. We’ve seen their progress with someone like Lu Dort. And Barnes does have some good playmaking ability for others. If they can fix his shooting form and build him up, he’s going to be a great weapon for them down the road."

    Trade Possible?: Maybe? because it's Sam Presti.

    7. Golden State Warriors (via Minnesota) – Josh Giddey, G/F, Australia, 18 years old

    "This is where the draft could go any way possible...Where the Warriors will really have to develop him is shooting the ball and playing on-ball defense...But he can keep the offense flowing, and the Warriors may not feel confident he’ll be around at No. 14 when they pick again."

    Trade Possible?: Yes because packaging 7+14+Wiseman for a superstar trade

    8. Orlando Magic (via Chicago) – Keon Johnson, G, Tennessee, 19 years old

    "We already have Kuminga off the board to Orlando in this mock, so let’s give them the craziest athlete in the draft. If you haven’t watched Johnson dunk before, open a new tab and head to YouTube to check it out. "

    Trade Possible?: Maybe? Packaging 5+8 as the basis of a deal to move up

    9. Sacramento Kings – Kai Jones, C, Texas, 20 years old

    "This is probably too high for Jones...He’s top 10 on my big board, and he fills a position the Kings have struggled to fill consistently, all the way back to selecting Willie Cauley-Stein in 2015...With Richaun Holmes hitting free agency, the Kings need a new big man."

    Trade Possible?: Unlikely because they beed to add significant players (who could be who they pick at 9), but could also package the pick alongside Buddy Hield for help

    10. New Orleans Pelicans – Davion Mitc , G, Baylor, 22 years old

    "There are a lot of disagreements when it comes to Mitc . He could go as high as No. 7 to the Warriors or maybe he drops down to the bottom of the lottery...It’s a little difficult to project what this team might do here because we don’t know who their coach will be. But Mitc fills a position of need here, especially if Lonzo Ball might exit in restricted free agency...Moses Moody or Jalen Johnson here could beef up the wing position for New Orleans, though I don’t really know if they fit as well as Mitc ."

    Trade Possible?: Maybe? Pressure to win-now (for Zion) could make them move it for better pieces (Harper thought maybe Minnesota could be a partner because this could be how they trade into the 1st round)

    11. Charlotte Hornets – James Bouknight, G, Connecticut, 20 years old

    "I’m probably higher on Bouknight than most, but I know Sam Vecenie has him high on his big board. I love the idea of him next to LaMelo Ball over the next decade or so. The Hornets have a lot of guard depth, but I’m not sure they should go through another season of Devonte’ Graham shooting under 40 percent from the field."

    Possible Trade: No because they could still ac ulate more good, young talent

    12. San Antonio Spurs – Jalen Johnson, F, Duke, 19 years old

    "What I am buying is him bringing everything else he does on a court to San Antonio, and then the Spurs giving his shooting mechanics over to coach Chip Engelland. That feels like a match made in heaven for both sides...There are things to worry about with Johnson, but I’m not sure how many of them would be exposed in a competent organization...could end up with a young core that has Lonnie Walker IV, Dejounte Murray and Johnson in the mix."

    Possible Trade: No because Spurs rarely make trades with their draft picks

    13. Indiana Pacers – Franz Wagner, F, Michigan, 19 years old

    It’s very possible Wagner doesn’t make it out of the top 10. Maybe New Orleans or Sacramento want his ability to play on both ends of the floor...Wagner will be a good forward to make the extra pass but that shot will need to prove to be lethal."

    Possible Trade: No because GM Kevin Pritchard rarely make trades with their draft picks

    14. Golden State Warriors – Moses Moody, G/F, Arkansas, 19 years old

    "If he’s still around, I love the idea of Moody landing with the Warriors. Moody is such an impressive 3-and-D wing prospect"

    Possible Trade: Yes because packaging 7+14+Wiseman for a superstar trade

    15. Washington Wizards – Alperen Sengun, C, Turkey, 19 years old

    "This feels low for Sengun, and he has a lot of draft buzz right now. He’s high on most draft boards. I’m putting him here with the Wizards because they’re going to need some big man depth...Sengun will be a great weapon for them moving forward and will likely be able to play next to Gafford if he’s the long term big man."

    Possible Trade: Unlikely in case the Bradley Beal situation gets dire
    Source: https://theathletic.com/2683296/2021...e-trade-spots/

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    Summary from the new article on The Athletic, only including top 15 because who cares after that:



    Source: https://theathletic.com/2683296/2021...e-trade-spots/
    Good find. I’m skeptical of Jalen Johnson. Yikes. Definitely not the Jalen I want in the lottery. But if they draft him we have to trust their interview and research and assume they see a great talent. Brian Wright doesn’t seem to be interested in malcontents, I think, I hope.

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