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some will ask for a sixth. heads.
The thread is for Pop viewing realistic types, Aggie Hoops Fan types, those who see the coatail riding, never repeating, best roster 7/8 of the 12 years he's coached, Dunkan rump riding, 4 Dumb pushing, offensive moron, smallballs Mike Finley at the PF strategizing, Avery losing, Phils who goes into fetal position at the sight of Phil (2003 abberation notwithstanding), guy......
If he pulls off a le this playoffs 2009, will you forgive all?
a. No, besides numerous blown les the dumbass never did repeat.
b. Yes. All is forgiven. The 5th will be sweet.
Popapologists while you have no need to respond I'm sure you feel the need to troll in.
some will ask for a sixth. heads.
pop is a damn good coach regardless whether or not the spurs pick up another o'brien while he's still around.
Where is the letter for "Popovich sucks a fat ."?
Realists?
Any one who still hates Pop will always hate Pop.
I've never really liked pop as a head coach (I have issues with his in game methods, subs utions, adjustments, etc) and think he is over-rated. Despite that, he's still a good coach, just not "one of the best" like people like to say. Winning les has nothing to do with my opinion of Pop.
Why are so many teams struggling to find a head coach? We have posters here to claims to be better than one of the best coaches in the history of the league.
So much coaching talent wasted on this board, sigh ....
I love Pop, but he's made mistakes in the past. I'm not going to pretend they didn't happen when the discussion comes up. I love championships. The one in '06 would have been nice, too. Since that's not going to happen, I'll hope for more in the future. If the Spurs never win another one, 2006 becomes more prominent.
He has won four championships. He needs no redeeming.
stupid thread. Pop is already one of the best coaches in NBA history. Probably top 5 or close. His time in San Antonio I would consider a golden age.
how soon people forget that they asked for his head in early 99 too. How fast that changed. If somethign goes wrong, they blame the coach. ITs amazing the pop haters here. Most people happy to have a good team.
COATTAILS?! Pop has been here. He is the one that put the team together. Sure Tim is great and one of the best of all time but without the rest of the team that Pop put together we would not have one even one le. Of course he is not perfect but to call him a "coattail riding" coach is not appropriate. YOu can say he has made bad draft choices and called some bad plays but that's about it. The one true coattail riding coach is the WAY overrated Phil Jackson.
Redeem??? What is there to redeem? The Spurs have four NBA les and have been the team in the NBA for the last decade.
Those of us who grew up being force fed a diet of Lakers/Celtics would have traded our best friends' left knut to have the Spurs breakthrough and win a le once, and for the last decade the little SA Spurs have been the team that the rest of the league looks up to.
The Spurs have been blessed to have Pop at the helm. If the Spurs never win another championship I'd say it's been an awesome ride.
I think he is an above average coach, but i can go along with most of what you say. Not sure why you say "Winning les has nothing to do with my opinion of Pop." Can you expound?
Obstructed_ViewNow there is a fair n balanced view from a Pop lover. Thank you.I love Pop, but he's made mistakes in the past. I'm not going to pretend they didn't happen when the discussion comes up. I love championships. The one in '06 would have been nice, too. Since that's not going to happen, I'll hope for more in the future. If the Spurs never win another one, 2006 becomes more prominent.
The ones who posted 4 is great, 4 is more then enough.
"To one who has been given much, much is expected."
You've simply lowered the bar.
To the one(s) who claim Popped is better then Phil, you hardly merit a response. Phil is 4-1 in the playoffs vs Popped. The response is what SpurSupremacist suggested choice "c." be.
LOL unreal
opPopapologists while you have no need to respond I'm sure you feel the need to troll in.
Is one a "Popapologist" for pointing to his record and saying "Wow -- that's pretty damned good."
In other words, I think many of us would quarrel with the idea that characterizing Pop as an inferior coach is "realism."
exactly.....pop drafted duncan..........phil drafted....mike no, shaq no, kobe no........ i think we can all see who rides coattails...
I strongly believe there is method in his madness.
When i begin to question Pop...I take a look at Tony Parker's career.
no ! i couldn't stand parker in the beginning but as pop got on his ass more and made him more discipline parker's game flourished.
i don't think you can consider pop anything but a great coach. he definitely doesn't ride anyone's coattails and if he did i don't think players would hold him in high regard as they do, especially not duncan himself.
Other than Parker, people forget what kind of influence Pop had on buckets. True that his best statistical years were after he left the Spurs, but there is no doubt where that talent was funnelled to good use.
Duncan was utilized greatly throughout his career, where he wasn't asked to unnecessarily carry the whole team throughout entire seasons.
Ginobili went from a wild daredevil into a more controlled daredevil.
David Robinson got a new lease on life as a defensive specialist under Pop.
Jaren Jackson had his moments of glory with the Spurs and failed to do anything outside of the organization.
We have to see what kind of careers Udoka and Mahinmi have.
Udrih failed under Pop, but there is no question that it relates more to Udrih's work ethic than anything else. Same with Jackie Butler.
Point is, Popovich has always handled the players with respect and demands professionalism out of them, he prepared the players rigorously through practice, implements a fantastic system that is the cornerstone of 4 les, and improved year after year in his in-game subs ution.
Saying he had the best roster in the league 7/8 of his 12 years in the league (that would be 10.5 seasons) is revisionist history at its best.
Last edited by ambchang; 10-01-2008 at 01:03 PM.
So you use Phil Jackson's record against the Spurs as proof that he is a good coach, but Pop's record over 10 years doesn't matter because he had Duncan? Jackson had Shaq and Kobe and Gasol... On every basketball forum I visit, it's considered a foregone conclusion that Pop is a great coach. Only on Spurstalk do I ever see spoiled fans who think 50+ wins every year, playoffs every year, and 4 les is underachieving.
I'm just more likely to judge people by how they go about things, not the end result. Especially in sports such as basketball, where it's a team sport and can be greatly affected by players and coaches both.
I mean, Barry Switzer won a superbowl, but does anyone really believe he had any sort of competence at running an NFL team? There are numerous execellent coaches who have never won a championship for whatever reason as well across many sports.
I just don't find number of les won to be relevant in terms of "who's the better" whatever.
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