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Pretty bold IMO, predicting fewer than 50 wins.
2007-08 Recap
Though they failed for a fourth time in their quest to repeat as champs, the Spurs made a credible le defense, returning to the conference finals in a loaded West and suc bing partly because of an ankle injury that rendered Manu Ginobili ineffective against the Lakers.
Yet one also wonders if we've seen the first s in their mighty armor. For the first time in eons, San Antonio looked better at the start of the season than at the end, with the offense in particular going into a tailspin in the second half. And with multiple key role players getting well into their 30s, there's a question of how long they can keep playing at this level.
For 2007-08, at least, other teams would have killed to have San Antonio's problems. There was no championship hangover for these guys -- they opened the year 17-3. But then they hit a serious midseason lull, winning just 11 of their next 24 games. As usual, their nine-game February "rodeo road trip" saved them. Though it came earlier than usual, San Antonio won six of the nine games on the trip and nine more in a row once it ended to boomerang back to the top of the West.
In past seasons, the Spurs have ridden that wave through March and into the postseason, but not this time. San Antonio finished the season 13-9 and several of the losses were ugly, including defeats by 21 to the Lakers, 17 to Phoenix, 26 to Utah, and 25 to New Orleans.
In particular, the offense ground to a halt. San Antonio ranked 26th in the NBA in second-half offensive efficiency, behind such luminaries as the Knicks, Nets and Wolves. Obviously, this was an unacceptable performance for a championship aspirant, and what made it particularly aggravating was a pronounced tendency for the offense to fall apart in the second half after a solid opening two quarters.
San Antonio showed the same tendencies in the postseason. It lost three times when leading at halftime against New Orleans and punted leads of 20 and 17 points to lose to the Lakers in the conference finals. For the postseason as a whole, the Spurs were only 12th out of 16 teams in offensive efficiency.
Relative to the league, the Spurs' second-half offensive decline was absolutely massive. While the league average offensive efficiency rose by five points after the break (this is fairly normal), San Antonio's fell by 3.5. If those numbers resonate, try this one on: San Antonio's second-half decline was larger than Miami's, even though the Heat traded Shaq, shut down Dwyane Wade and fielded a glorified CBA team for that stretch while the Spurs were gunning for a repeat championship.
Fortunately, their D bailed them out time and again. The Spurs have always been a dominant defensive team under Gregg Popovich, and after a slow start they were again last season. After the All-Star break, San Antonio ranked second in defensive efficiency, barely missing Boston for the top spot. Relative to the league, the Spurs were 7.18 points better after the break -- only Orlando improved more.
San Antonio's defensive strategy was predicated on taking away all the easy stuff -- for years it has been among the hardest teams to get a 3-pointer against, and had one of the league's lowest opponent assist rates. That trend held up again last season, when the Spurs were third in 3-point defense (34.2 percent) and were the third-hardest team to get a 3-point look against -- just 19.1 percent of opponent field-goal attempts were 3s. With Tim Duncan around, it wasn't easy to score inside the arc against them either -- San Antonio was fourth in 2-point defense and gave up a below-average number of free throws.
With two world-class defenders in Duncan and Bruce Bowen and a number of solid defenders around them, San Antonio rarely needed to double or overcommit from the help side; as a result, it tended to turn opponents into one-on-one jump shooters. San Antonio gave up assists on just 52.2 percent of opponent field goals; only Phoenix gave up fewer.
But perhaps the most important plank in the Spurs' defensive wall was the rebounding. With Duncan as the centerpiece, San Antonio rebounded 77.1 percent of opponent missed shots (see chart). That total led the league, and allowed the Spurs to limit their opponents' shot attempts despite rarely forcing turnovers.
Their D was still rolling in the postseason, where they ranked fourth in playoff defensive efficiency despite facing three of the league's top five offensive teams. The offense, however, couldn't overcome Ginobili's injury in the conference finals. He scored 7, 7, 9 and 10 points in the four San Antonio losses, and the Spurs averaged just 86.4 points in the five games against L.A.
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Biggest Strength: Interior scoring
No matter how much they struggle to score, the Spurs have always been able to fall back on the fact that their opponents will struggle just as much. The Spurs have been one of the league's top three defenses every year of the Popovich-Duncan era, and last season was no exception.
Popovich is one of the game's top teachers and motivators, and he has two outstanding individual defenders to base his system around in Bowen and Duncan. Bowen shuts down the opponents' top wing player with his quickness and savvy, while Duncan quietly dominates inside with his shot-blocking and rebounding.
Around them are other strong defenders. Ime Udoka is the heir apparent to Bowen as the wing specialist, Thomas is excellent at defending the post and helping teammates, and even scorers like Ginobili and Parker are solid defenders -- as are most of the secondary players. Even with the team getting up in years, it's hard to imagine San Antonio finishing outside the league's elite in defensive efficiency. Speaking of which …
Biggest Weakness: Age
If you haven't noticed, these guys are getting really, really old. Parker is the only key player who is on the good side of 27. Everyone else can be expected to be somewhere between slightly worse and massively worse than they were a year ago.
Taken individually, it doesn't seem so horrible that Ginobili and Udoka are 31, or that Mason is 29, for instance. It's when you start piling up the ulative impact of all their ages that it really sinks in. Bowen is 37, Finley and Thomas are 35, Fabricio Oberto and Jacque Vaughn are 33 and Duncan is 32. Yeesh.
In particular, the age of the wing players has to be a concern. San Antonio's top four wing players are 31 and older, and while they've taken exceptional care of their bodies, history tells us that the only direction they can surprise us in is down.
Up front, they at least have size and smarts to fall back on, but the age of the top three is a worry too. Ian Mahinmi, a 2005 first-rounder, is the one flicker of youth in that group; he comes off a strong D-League season and will try to win a role as the fourth big man. Unfortunately, San Antonio's frontcourt succession plans got a little messed up when 2007 first-rounder Tiago Splitter decided to stay in Europe; he would have provided an inexpensive, quality young center, but couldn't take the pay cut dictated by the league's rookie salary scale.
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Outlook
With Ginobili set to miss a big chunk of the season and probably needing several games to get his timing back upon returning, and age questions running up and down the rest of the roster, San Antonio seems in position to take a step back in the West … at least during the regular season. The Popovich-Duncan tandem has produced at least 56 wins for eight straight seasons, an incredible accomplishment, but it seems highly unlikely to run that string to nine.
The problem is that the Spurs don't have anyone else capable of stepping up into a primary scoring role when one of their stars go out -- they've entirely built the team with the idea that the other guys will be snipers who can play off their three ace scorers. Take Ginobili out of the equation and that begins to unravel; should Parker or Duncan turn an ankle in the fist half of the season, things could really get ugly.
San Antonio is trying to squeeze two more years out of this nucleus, but there's a possibility they won't make it that long -- in fact, the roster's advanced age leaves open the possibility of a sudden, unexpected collapse. I don't think it's likely, mind you, but that's the thing about sudden age-related collapses -- we never expect it. Just ask Miami.
More likely, All-Star-caliber play from Duncan and Parker and the usual suffocating defense keeps the Spurs afloat long enough for Ginobili to come back and get them into the playoffs. If they're healthy at that point, they'll be a very dangerous first-round opponent because of their three stars and history of late-season surges … but they'll also be playing every round on the road.
Prediction: 47-35, 3rd in Southwest Division, 5th in Western Conference
Original article: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/traini...rsForecast0809
Pretty bold IMO, predicting fewer than 50 wins.
Why exactly is fewer than 50 wins so unreasonable? They'll struggle with Ginobili out, then if they win 70% from then on out, you're looking at 52 or 53 wins. If Duncan or Parker miss any significant time, they very easily could drop into the high 40's.
Spurs managed to win 50+ games in 05 when Duncan had an ankle injury about 3 times over the course of the season. Last season, Parker missed significant time as well with injuries.
History has shown, in the regular season, Duncan/Parker tandem is more than capable of picking up the slack with Ginobili out. As long as the Spurs are healthy come playoff time, I think they have as great a chance as anyone to come out of the West.
Parker,Vaughn,Hill,Staudimire,Mason are too many PG options.
i really wonder what pop plans on doing conerning this issue.hopefully theres a trade in the works. I would really like to see a trade involving Staudamire, and maybe Vaughn and Bonner for a Udonis Haslem from Miami.Seeing how Miami longs for PG's. I know its a long shot but thats just a random idea.
Why would they trade for stoudamire when they could of had him last week?
I think we'll win 54-56 games
Pretty unlikely the Spurs win less than 50 games, but I don't think it's dumb to predict it. It's completely plausible. Again, unlikely but plausible.
Who's impersonating Hollinger? The entire preview without using the PER statistic? Whoever this is, it ain't Hollinger...
Jazz finishing number one in the westThey must be playing all 82 games in utah.
There is a problem with predicting 47 wins, yet predicting the Spurs make the playoffs. Those 47 Ws may not get them in the playoffs. Golden State had 48 wins last season and didn't get in. 50-win Denver took the 8th spot.
Yes, it was a rare, never-been-done-before type of year, but has the West gotten weaker? I doubt it.
hollinger!
I understand his point, but I don't think that Hollinger's numbers add up.
As best I can figure, the East's W's and the West's L's should match up, since the East teams will go .500 against each other, since the difference between the conferences will be the games they play against each other, and since the conferences will have precisely inverse records in those games (a win by a West team in those games is a loss by an East team, right?).
Given those truths -- please correct me if I'm missing something -- Hollinger has the East going 617-613 in the coming year and the West going 611-619.
Aside from the seeming impossibility of that result, what strikes me is the implication by Hollinger that the East will actually be better than the West, which seems incredibly unlikely. Last year, the West was 258-192 against the East (.573) or 66 games better. Now Hollinger is saying that in a year in which most agree that the West will be as brutal as it's ever been, with the conference stocked with good-to-great teams, the East will actually have a winning record in games against the West and that it's teams will collectively improve by something like 70 games or so -- that would be a pretty remarkable turnaround.
And, for whatever it's worth, Hollinger's predictions at this stage of last season weren't remarkably good or anything. He was within 5 games either way of 11 teams' records; but he was off by at least 14 games either way on 9 teams' records.
I think it's a reasonable article. He lays out the positives and the negatives. It would be crazy not to be concerned about the duration of Manu's injury, our aging role players, and the inexperience of new players.
If Tony or Tim get injured while Manu is out, yeah, it could get bad. We had problems scoring last year even with the Big 3. Getting points on the board will be an issue this year.
I think the west takes a step back in needing 50 wins due to the parity and toughness of all the western teams.
idk if i agree about the 50 wins issue-but what I certainly agree with is our horrible-HORRIBLE second half scoring last year. I think some of us forget how bad the spurs were-and those stats he gave should remind everyone that we had major offensive problems in the most important parts of the game-3rd/4th quarters. I seriously think we gotta ditch vaughn-and yea he knows the system-but we gotta give the young guys time early in the year and let them grow and learn instead of sticking with the same old same old. He doesn't do anything game changing anyways-so give hill some good time, give salim good time (think this is very important for our "snipers"), and i think mason will already get time. But seriously no reason to give finley and vaughn much at all unless we fall to like 2-10. haha. I would say we win around 50 though-probably 52/53
The Spurs clearly tried to address their offense instead of their interior defense in the off-season. They picked up some guys who can score, so I don't think what happened last season was lost on the Spurs' management. I mean, their #1 target was Corey Maggette...not exactly a defensive stopper.
Hollinger had some decent points within the article. Not great but it was far better than some of his drivel.
His calculator seems to have not noticed the addition of Mason. Like I've been saying as of late, I see Mason as the make-it or break-it player this season. He has to prove to be the missing fourth scorer or else the Spurs will suc b to age and injury. The Spurs were horrible last year in the second half of the year offensively. Mason is the shining beacon of hope in that regards. Hollinger mentions Udoka but I fully expect Mason to get a whole lot more time if he can prove to be a scorer.
If Mason can prove to be a fourth scorer and then if just one of Mahinmi, Bonner or Tolliver elevate themselves into the rotation in place of Horry, the Spurs offense should be improved. And that's not even considering Parker taking up his offense a notch or two.
The Spurs will obviously miss Ginobili but as long as Duncan and Parker can stay healthy, I feel pretty confident they can keep their heads above water.
I just can't say I'm 100% confident in Roger Mason being that guy.
Maggette would've, I just can't see Mason being that guy.
I hope to be horribly horribly wrong.
I can see Mason being that guy. But I can also see Finley getting more time than Udoka or Mason, and Vaughn getting more time than Hill or Stoudamire, which would both be disasters, imo.
Right on the money although I see this elderly team win 45 games and seeded 7th or 8th at best.
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