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    I found the following linksinformative and helpful.

    I am posting them for anyone else who might be interested.

    I do realize this is just one source of information, so if anyone has links to add, please do.

    The following blogs are written by Mary Fairchild, About.com
    She introduced her blogs this way:

    Issues of faith and religion come to the forefront quite often during elections and presidential campaigns. In preparation for the primary elections, I sent each candidate a brief questionnaire about their faith and provided a "faith snapshot" of each of the 2008 presidential candidates. This project was updated as I received responses and found additional faith-related statements from the candidates.
    Senator Obama

    Party: Democratic
    Age: 46
    Education:
    Columbia University, B.A.
    Harvard Law School, J.D.
    Current Position: U.S. Senator, Illinois
    Experience: Attorney, Illinois State Senator
    Declared Candidacy: Feb. 2007
    Vice Presidential Pick: Joe Biden
    Web site: Obama '08

    Barack Obama's Faith Snapshot:
    Religion/Church: United Church of Christ

    Barack Obama was not raised in a religious household. Like his mother, he said he "grew up with a healthy skepticism of organized religion." His father was born Muslim but became an atheist as an adult. His mother's family members were "non-practicing" Baptists and Methodists. It was after college that he encountered a "spiritual dilemma." He realized something was missing in his life and he felt drawn to be in church.

    Obama said he had begun to sense God beckoning him to submit to His will and dedicate himself to discovering truth. So one day he walked down the aisle at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago and affirmed his Christian faith. During a "Call to Renewal" Keynote Address in June 2006, he refers to himself as a progressive Christian. And in this New York Times article, Senator Obama's denomination, the United Church of Christ, is described as "a mostly white denomination known for the independence of its congregations and its willingness to experiment with traditional Protestant theology."

    Barack Obama's Expressions of Faith:
    Barack Obama said that his faith "plays every role" in his life. "It's what keeps me grounded. It's what keeps my eyes set on the greatest of heights." In the "Call to Renewal" Keynote Address he also said, "Faith doesn't mean that you don't have doubts. You need to come to church in the first place precisely because you are first of this world, not apart from it. You need to embrace Christ precisely because you have sins to wash away - because you are human and need an ally in this difficult journey."

    Barack Obama & the Bible:
    Obama writes in his book, The Audacity of Hope, "I am not willing to have the state deny American citizens a civil union that confers equivalent rights on such basic matters as hospital visitation or health insurance coverage simply because the people they love are of the same sex—nor am I willing to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount.”
    Senator Biden

    Profile has yet to be posted on site. Is coming soon.

    Senator McCain
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    John McCain's Political Profile:
    On the Issues: Compare
    Party: Republican
    Age: 71
    Education:
    U.S. Naval Academy, B.S.
    Current Position: U.S. Senator, Arizona
    Experience: U.S. Navy, Senate Navy Liaison, U.S. Rep., Arizona
    Declared Candidacy: April 2007
    Vice Presidential Pick: Sarah Palin
    Web site: John McCain 2008

    John McCain's Faith Snapshot:
    Religion/Church: Baptist

    Although John McCain was raised in the Episcopal Church and attended an Episcopal high school, he no longer considers himself a member of the Episcopal faith. For a number of years, he and his wife Cindy have attended the North Phoenix Baptist Church, a Southern Baptist congregation. But McCain does not call himself a Baptist either. The Associated Press reported that McCain prefers to simply be known as a Christian. He said, "The most important thing is that I am a Christian."

    John McCain's Expressions of Faith:
    Speaking to TIME about his experience in captivity as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, McCain said that prayer played an important role in sustaining him: "Those of us who gained our spiritual help and strength through God seemed to do better physically than those who basically gave up."

    About his prayer life, McCain went on to say, "I pray regularly, and I don't have to be getting ready for bed, or be getting up in the morning. I seize opportunities throughout the day."

    McCain also said his faith has helped him move past failure: "I haven't always succeeded; I've failed many times. But because the foundation of ... my belief is redemption, I've been able to receive additional comfort, strength and the desire to move forward again."

    McCain told Beliefnet, "I've sort of evolved in my religious faith. And I think probably because of my failings and mistakes in life I'm a much bigger believer in redemption. I really believe that redemption is a very important part of our religion. I'm much more of a believer in a loving God, a personal God. I'm much less inclined in every way to believe in a vengeful God."
    Govenor Palin
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    Sarah Palin's Political Profile:
    Party: Republican
    On the Issues: Palin on the Major Issues
    Age: 44
    Education:
    University of Idaho, B.S.
    Current Position: Governor of Alaska; Vice Presidential Candidate
    Experience: Chairwoman, Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission; 2-Term Mayor, Wasilla, Alaska; 2-Term City Council, Wasilla, Alaska.
    Declared Candidacy: John McCain announced Palin as running mate on August 29, 2008.
    Website:
    Alaska Governor's Office

    Sarah Palin's Faith Snapshot:
    Religion/Church: Non-Denominational, Christian

    Sarah Palin was raised in the Assemblies of God denomination, however, a spokesperson for the McCain-Palin campaign told the Associated press, she now attends different churches and does not consider herself a Pentecostal. In high school she led her local Fellowship of Christian Athletes group.


    According to this report in the National Catholic Reporter, today Palin frequents an independent Christian church known as Church on the Rock, located in Wasilla, Alaska. It has also been reported by an Associated Press religion writer, that Palin sometimes attends Juneau Christian Center in Juneau, Alaska. And in this Time article, the Palin's place of worship is said to be the Wasilla Bible Church.

    Sarah Palin's Expressions of Faith:
    When early testing showed that Palin's fifth child would be born with Down syndrome, Palin's pro-life stance and undoubtedly her Christian faith, kept her from ever considering ending the pregnancy. When little "Trig" was born, Sarah told the Anchorage Daily News, "she was sad at first but they now feel blessed that God chose them." This press statement from the Palin family explains in more detail:

    "Trig is beautiful and already adored by us. We knew through early testing he would face special challenges, and we feel privileged that God would entrust us with this gift and allow us unspeakable joy as he entered our lives. We have faith that every baby is created for good purpose and has potential to make this world a better place. We are truly blessed."
    Michael Paulson, religion writer for the Boston Globe put together this faith perspective called, "Sarah Palin on faith, life and creation." In it he includes this portion of a 2006 Anchorage Daily News article:

    "Her Christian faith, they say, came from her mother, who took her children to area Bible churches as they were growing up (Sarah is the third of four siblings). They say her faith has been steady since high school, when she led the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and grew stronger as she sought out believers in her college years. Palin doesn't brandish her religion on the campaign trail, but that doesn't prevent others from doing so."
    A longtime Alaska resident, Chas St. George, said, "Wearing her faith quietly fits more with Palin's personality."

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    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...thout_a_prayer

    Phoenix, July 13th, Sunday morning. Thank God John McCain has declared that he wants to wallpaper the continent with new nuke plants, because now the chances are better that this wretched slab of hot, bird -covered asphalt they call a state will be blown to in an accident someday. I hate this place. Once the sun comes up on an Arizona weekend, nothing moves except the occasional elderly-piloted Buick floating boatlike in the direction of some hideous megachurch.

    This morning I've come to one of those monstrosities, North Phoenix Baptist Church, to witness John McCain's halfhearted offensive in his battle to win over the Christian right. On the stump, McCain talks about God less than any Republican politician in recent memory — certainly less than any Republican I've ever seen. The guy pitches a tent visible from a mile off whenever anyone so much as mentions the military; you can almost hear the dopamine surging into his bloodstream every time someone stands up in a town hall and begins a question by saying, " o, Senator, my husband was a Navy pilot. . . ." And he seems positively tumescent when talking about such horrors as Al Qaeda or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. But his basic stump speech doesn't contain a single line about God or religion. McCain is probably the first Republican in modern history to talk more about "green technology" than about his personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

    While Barack Obama gives regular addresses at churches, where he comes off very like a preacher (right down to his natty blue suits and his lilting oratory), McCain's chosen stump locations are invariably VFW halls or factory sites — where he tries to win over working-class crowds by telling them that their jobs aren't coming back. As the nominee of a party that has swept two straight elections by hawking cheap pieties and ramming one preposterous lie after another down the public's throat, McCain's agnostically bummerific public-speaking strategy is a curiosity, to say the least.

    Here's the thing about John McCain, and it's never easy to tell whether this is a good quality or a bad one. He's a ty liar. He may be willing to change his position on anything from immigration to torture to campaign finance at the drop of a hat to win votes, and he may have no problem aiming below the belt — below the knees even — to impugn an opponent's patriotism. But this is not a guy who can get up in front of a churchgoing crowd in Asscrack, Arkansas, and start weeping to Jesus. In fact, he appears to deeply resent the implication that he needs to genuflect to the baby savior at all. As in, " , I already lived through five years of torture! You want me to do more?"

    The Republican party returned to power at the beginning of this decade thanks to a brilliantly innovative political hybrid represented in its most advanced form by the Bush-Cheney ticket — a high-tech engine of ruthless neocon capitalism wedded to a half-literate aristocrat dunce hiding his alcoholism in born-again Christian pla udes. Add corporate money to fundamentalist-Christian demographics in a country as dumb and supers ious as America, and you can vaporize a century's worth of Al Gores and John Kerrys.

    But here's how ed that seemingly unstoppable coalition is this time around, now that the ticket is headed by an aging Goldwaterite named John McCain: The candidate has only recently come around to the idea that the Republican nominee in the age of Bush and the evangelical ayatollahs has to go to church regularly. When asked recently if he is an evangelical Christian, McCain answered, "I attend church." When asked how often, he said, "Not as often as I should."

    So in recent weeks, to prove his piety, McCain has taken to dragging himself out of bed on Sunday mornings to attend services at North Phoenix Baptist, not-so-subtly announcing his devotions to his traveling press. ("Yeah, they started telling us he was going to church about a month ago," one McCain-beat reporter chuckled to me on the Straight Talk Express. "Like, Oh, by the way, he's going to church again. At this address, if you want to check. . . .") Originally baptized an Episcopalian, McCain claims that he's been attending this Southern Baptist church for some 15 years, despite the fact that his 2007 congressional biography lists his faith as Episcopalian. But in a touching display of his apparent unwillingness to do absolutely anything to get elected, McCain still hasn't been baptized in his new church — he's not born-again, in other words. Dude is holding out for some reason. Like he's afraid to lie to God. A politician, afraid to lie!

    The marriage of fundamentalist Christianity and the conservative movement has been a powerful force in world affairs. It has been the best smoke screen the archpriests of supply-side economics could possibly have had, giving Wall Street a populist in with the very people victimized the most by their union-busting, deregulatory policies. It turned out, for decades, that Bible-thumping Americans didn't mind having their jobs shipped to China, so long as someone was worrying about the air supply to Terri Schiavo's brain lump. As political cons go, this was the ultimate gift that kept on giving.

    It all had to end sometime, though, and that sometime might be now. Nervous, white, sexually inhibited Protestants with fourth-grade educations are becoming a smaller and smaller share of the country's population, and the Christian right is increasingly frustrated with the Republican Party's failure to transform America into a fundamentalist caliphate. (Forget about abortion: After eight years of Republican rule, Christians can't even put up the Ten Commandments in Alabama without someone ing about it.) But the last straw just might come down to one Republican politician's personal idiosyncrasies. All the party needed was one more pious, Scripture-quoting, hair-spray-soaked to hold this thing together for another four years, and instead they got John McCain. And John McCain may break up three decades of GOP Jesus-flogging simply because he is too afraid to get his forehead wet. Wouldn't that be something?

    North Phoenix Baptist is an ideal spiritual hiding place for a reluctant believer. For anyone with private doubts about the religious right, or even religion in general, the place's architectural setup — with its thousands of seats and its giant twin TV monitors for reading hymn lyrics and its stoned-looking crowd of sun-damaged, elderly white retirees in golf garb — is the perfect venue to hunker down and take your lumps once a week. Even I blend in, crouched a dozen rows up from McCain and his wife, Cindy, on the right side of the auditorium, mouthing the words to a half-hour of excruciating hymns.

    Dan Yeary, the pastor of North Phoenix Baptist, doesn't bear much resemblance to the torch-bearing bigots of the Ted Haggard/Jesus Camp variety. He's a low-key Southwesterner with a kindly smile who seems to recognize that his aging congregation prefers the weak beer of mild spiritual encouragement to the 10-alarm chili you find in the witch-hunting Bible Belt. But on this day, he has crafted a sermon that seems to be aimed directly at the casual believer who thinks going to church once a week makes him holy. "We're not talking about paying dues at a country club," Yeary preaches. "This isn't about ritual. This is about a relationship."

    Yeary talks about how important baptism is as a symbol of one's submission to God, "the first act of obedience." Then he tells a story about Abe Lincoln — another famously vacillating Republican claimed by both atheists and Christians alike. The story involves a pastor who took Lincoln to hear another famous pastor speak. When the fiery oratory was over, Lincoln's friend asked him what he thought of the sermon.

    "Lincoln said it was fine," relates Yeary. "The friend said, 'Fine? Just fine? Why?' And Lincoln answered, 'He did not ask me to do anything great for God.' "

    Yeary carefully avoids looking over at the con uously unbaptized McCain. "That's what I want," he says. "I want to be part of people who take God seriously."

    I watch McCain throughout the sermon. When the story is over, he flashes his creepy Count Chocula smile — the same one he pulls out, teeth bared, after his That's not change we can believe in! stump line — but otherwise doesn't react. Everybody on our side of the chapel is glancing over at him.

    In a way, this scene says everything you need to know about McCain's dilemma. The man is a relic from a previous era of conservatism, when privacy was sacrosanct and public expressions of religiosity were considered vulgar and in bad taste. McCain comes from a generation of American men for whom religion was a ticket you punched once a week, a low-effort symbol of conformity to go with your two-car garage, your sorority-girl wife and your weekly golf game with the fellas. The whole braying-to-the-moon, born-again Promise Keeper act perfected by the Bushes and Huckabees of the world is as alien to his sensibility as an Iron John man-poetry retreat. Sitting here in the North Phoenix Baptist pews, he has a look on his face like he'd just as well suck a as do an altar call. It's one of his most likable qualities.

    It's not like McCain isn't going to get Christian votes. In fact, his relationship with fundamentalist Christian groups has come a long way since last year, when some Christian leaders vowed to sit out the election if McCain was the nominee. Back then, it really looked bleak: Some prominent Christians sounded like they would rather have baguettes shoved up their asses than go anywhere near McCain come November. "Speaking as a private individual, I would not vote for John McCain under any cir stances," declared James Dobson, head of the influential Focus on the Family.

    The Dobson comment came in January 2007, on a radio program called Jerry Johnson Live, a broadcast that exposed McCain's weaknesses with regard to the Christian community. Dobson was holding forth about this and that when the host suddenly whipped out an old audio recording of McCain offering his opinion about a key "values" issue. It was the kind of nightmarish, weirdly tolerant quip that seems to bubble up from McCain's past with unnerving regularity: "I think, uh . . . I think that gay marriage should be allowed if there's a ceremony kind of thing, if you wanna call it that," incredulous conservative listeners could hear McCain saying. "I don't have any problem with that."

    That was enough for Dobson. "He's not in favor of traditional marriage, and I pray that we won't get stuck with him," he growled.

    But that was back in the days when Huckabee was still a candidate and a whole field of more openly pious and gay-bashing Republicans had not yet dropped out. Since then, McCain has dealt with his weakness on the gay-marriage issue as he has dealt with countless others — by changing his mind. In fact, McCain changed his mind barely 11 minutes after the above "gay marriage should be allowed" statement, made on Hardball back in October 2006. "I believe that if people want to have private ceremonies, that's fine," he said in his about-face. "I do not believe that gay marriage should be legal." Just last week, McCain also came out against gay adoption. But for the most part, his strategy has been to just stop talking about any of this at all, recognizing that his political situation vis-ŕ-vis the religious right improved dramatically without him saying a word the minute his chief opponent stopped being ex-preacher Mike Huckabee and started being -loving, Bernie Mac buddy Barack Obama.

    It's McCain's newfound status as the lesser of two evils that recently won him a previously unthinkable triumph — the pledged support of more than 100 Christian groups who met in Denver on July 1st to create a so-called "Declaration of American Values." Organized by Mat Staver, chairman of the fundamentalist group Liberty Counsel, the declaration was an attempt to reunite a Christian right that, as Staver tells me, had suffered "through a fractious primary season. There were a lot of hurt feelings." The group — which included notables on the religious right like Phyllis Schlafly and Tim Lahaye — settled on a list of 10 basic principles, including the perennial sanc y of life and anti-gay-marriage stuff, as well as some weirder and less biblically obvious demands supporting unfettered gun ownership and opposing taxation "of a progressive nature."

    And while the group came out in support of McCain, Staver is anxious that this not be interpreted as a broad expression of enthusiasm by the Christian right. "Uh, the media somewhat didn't accurately report that," he says with obvious fright in his voice. "This wasn't a Declaration of American Values in support of John McCain. This was a statement of support for those core values." It was agreed, Staver clarifies, that supporting McCain in this election was merely the best choice for the "short term." And the reason for that, he says, is that the election of Barack Obama would "decimate American values." From there, Staver is off and running about Obama's record on abortion rights and gay marriage, and how generally an Obama election would bring about the end of civilization; he said almost nothing about McCain.

    I get the same response when I speak to Kristi Hamrick of the Campaign for Working Families, a political fundraising group affiliated with former presidential candidate Gary Bauer, who was one of the first prominent Christian-right leaders to pledge support for McCain. When I ask a general question about how evangelicals will vote in the fall, Hamrick immediately focuses on Obama. "When California endorsed gay marriage, Barack Obama said it was a good idea. John McCain didn't," she tells me. "It would be different if we had a pro-choice Republican running, but we don't. We have a pro-life Republican."

    But despite the nearly monolithic support of the organized Christian right for McCain now that the infidel Obama is on the ballot, there's no guarantee that Christian voters are buying McCain as the electoral protector of biblical family values. In fact, McCain's backtracking with regard to the religious right seems to have had an off-putting effect: A recent poll shows that only one in 10 registered voters are more likely to vote for McCain now that he is campaigning with the religious right. Two in 10, on the other hand, say they are now less likely to vote for him.

    The real problem here might be that McCain's stubborn refusal to pull a full-court Huckabee on the God front has coincided with (a) an impending economic catastrophe and (b) statements by one of his closest advisers, Phil Gramm, to the effect that America is in a "mental recession" and is a "nation of whiners." As a result, McCain now has the daunting task of somehow keeping voters in economically hard-hit evangelical regions mesmerized by Bible-humping, gay-bashing bull , despite the fact that he only started going to church regularly a month ago and as recently as a year ago was actually saying gay people are human beings. If he doesn't, who knows — people might actually start voting according to their economic interests, which would be disastrous for a Republican Party that has duped America's white underclass for decades, thanks to Christian conservatism.

    But that's only if McCain keeps up his present habit of not playing the God card on the stump. "If the contrast between the candidates on social issues is heightened enough, then those evangelical voters will eventually come back on board," says James Gimpel, a professor of government at the University of Maryland who tracks voter demographics in real time for a project called Patchwork Nation. The project recently found that counties with large populations of Christian evangelicals have been hit especially hard by high gas prices and foreclosures, creating greater anxiety leading up to the election.

    Gimpel concedes, however, that McCain is not doing a whole lot right now to "heighten" that contrast. "Yeah, he doesn't seem very interested in campaigning on those social issues," he says. "Unless he turns it around or gets surrogates to make that case for him, some evangelicals might sit it out."

    McCain is so bad at this game that when it came time for him to pick an evangelical date for the prom, he chose the one preacher crazy enough to make even trailer-dwelling Southerners nervous — John Hagee, a beach-ball-shaped apocalypse merchant whose views on Catholicism would raise eyebrows at a Klan meeting. Classic McCain: He kicks off his presidential run in 2000 by insulting North American vote-generating champion Jerry Falwell, then heads into 2008 with his arms wrapped around an obscure televangelist whose only electoral pull is in the next world. As a result, the most influential leaders on the Christian right are keeping their distance. "Uh, no," says a spokesman for Focus on the Family, when I ask if Dobson has changed his mind about McCain, even with Obama on the ticket. "He hasn't changed his mind. No way."

    Watching these once-united wings of the Republican juggernaut devolve into frank mutual su ion and distaste along the runway to almost certain electoral disaster is, of course, a delicious development. The Moral Majority Christians and the supply-side neocons always represented two of the worst and most vile impulses in the American character — mass, willful ignorance and total, shameless greed. In one wing of the ruling-party mansion they housed preachers who transformed the religion of "turn the other cheek" and "go, give away all your possessions to the poor" into a "Christianity" that celebrated shock-and-awe bombing and assault-rifle ownership and decried the progressive income tax as unfair to the propertied class. In the other wing they housed "conservatives" who turned the party of limited government into a giant snooping apparatus, one that borrowed trillions against the future earnings of ordinary taxpayers and sacrificed thousands of lives to snatch a few Middle Eastern oil wells for companies that were rich as to begin with.

    The Bible-thumpers, mainly working- and middle-class whites with limited educations from the landlocked states of the South and the Midwest, would seem to have had little in common with the archpriests of the neoconservative movement, who as it happened were mainly Jewish academics with fancy degrees from the East and West Coasts. But they did: They shared an almost equal disdain for democracy, free speech and learning, and paradise for both groups was an intellectually mute America of vast malls, prisons packed full of ungrateful blacks, ty TV programming to keep the brains chilled and 200-foot-high electrified fences along the Rio Grande. And lots of hero worship of soldiers, if not so much in the way of VA benefits.

    This vision looked unstoppable for a while; there was a time in the early Bush years when this mean-spirited program of flag-waving, gun-toting biblical nationalism looked destined to become a kind of continental religion, a Church of America our missionaries would spread everywhere — and woe to those liberals and Frenchmen and other heretics who didn't get with the program! Then we left them in office for a while, and it turned out that our would-be nationalist priests were totally stupid and completely incompetent at running anything at all, much less the world economy. And suddenly the red states stopped looking so much red as broke and ed and responsible for a giant mess that even they didn't pretend to know the way out of.

    It was at this low point in the Christian-corporate marriage that John McCain stepped into the breach to wreck the demographic even more. At this critical moment, the party needed a turbocharged con man to revive the old religion, and what they got was an old man with doubts who can barely bring himself to go to church on Sundays. The worst possible scenario. Or the funniest, depending on how you look at things.

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    Sitting here in the North Phoenix Baptist pews, McCain has a look on his face like he'd just as well suck a as do an altar call. It's one of his most likable qualities.

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    I'm sick of religion and politics mixing. Why can't we have an atheist candidate for Prez?

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    Findog with the trifecta.

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    I'm sick of religion and politics mixing. Why can't we have an atheist candidate for Prez?
    but jesus is coming. how would that look?

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    Sitting here in the North Phoenix Baptist pews, McCain has a look on his face like he'd just as well suck a as do an altar call. It's one of his most likable qualities.
    I don't care who they're talking about. That is funny.

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    evangelical ayatollahs.


    Or maybe not so funny. Is it really that much of a stretch to be afraid of people like Falwell when it comes to letting him anywhere near the levers of government?

    What would happen to mormon school children attending a public school where a baptist preacher is the one leading the daily prayer?

    Would a methodist parent want his child to be attending a school where catholics control the school board?


    The wall between religion and government should be unassailable.

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    I'm sick of religion and politics mixing. Why can't we have an atheist candidate for Prez?
    If you think the talk from the right about the Anti-Christ is nutty now...

    (shudders)

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    Palin is the only one of the four who actually believes what she says about Jesus, and that's not a compliment.

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    If you think the talk from the right about the Anti-Christ is nutty now...

    (shudders)
    Well, maybe an Agnostic candidate. I'm an Agnostic. To me, that is the most intellectually honest position when it comes to religion:

    " , I don't know."

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    Her ancestors walked with dinosaurs...she saw the footprints together!!!










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    Her ancestors walked with dinosaurs...she saw the footprints together!!!









    Keep in mind she's so pro-Israel because that's where the End Times will begin.

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    pitbull is the purest incarnation of Christ's ethics and principles, right?

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    Keep in mind she's so pro-Israel because that's where the End Times will begin.
    Which drives me nuts. So many people (my relatives included) are persuaded by this phony evangelical support of Israel. They support Israel so it can be destroyed!!! Man I wish people would wake up.

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    The wall between religion and government should be unassailable.
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise therof.
    The first amendment restricts the government, not the people. The wall Jefferson spoke of is a one-way wall. Any religious person has his or her place in the public debate. That's classic pluralism right there.

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    Keep in mind she's so pro-Israel because that's where the End Times will begin.
    Every presidential candidate for all times has been glaringly pro-Israel...but because it's Palin its because of revelation prophesy?

    You're such a bigot.

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    Which drives me nuts. So many people (my relatives included) are persuaded by this phony evangelical support of Israel. They support Israel so it can be destroyed!!! Man I wish people would wake up.

    Why was Biden so pro-Israel in the debate last week?

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    Glock or Smith & Wesson? WWJD?

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    Why was Biden so pro-Israel in the debate last week?
    Because the Israeli Lobby is very influential? Palin is Pro-Israel for two reasons I would guess:

    1) If you're not, you don't win elections
    2) She believes the end times rhetoric and sees Israel as a bridge to revelations

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    I'm sick of religion and politics mixing. Why can't we have an atheist candidate for Prez?
    Are you?


    Personally, I am sick of the Truth being kicked to the curb in the name of convenience and greed and who knows what else.

    I firmly believe that nothing good happens without Jesus.
    The lack of God in the political process ( by which I mean to include campaining for election all the way through terms served) is exactly what is the most wrong with it.

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    Are you?


    Personally, I am sick of the Truth being kicked to the curb in the name of convenience and greed and who knows what else.

    I firmly believe that nothing good happens without Jesus.
    The lack of God in the political process ( by which I mean to include campaining for election all the way through terms served) is exactly what is the most wrong with it.
    Agree to disagree then. We could not have a more profound disagreement.

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    Why was Biden so pro-Israel in the debate last week?
    AIPAC owns both major parties. Neither ticket has the guts to stand up and say that Israel's national security interests are not necessarily in perfect alignment with ours.

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    Agree to disagree then. We could not have a more profound disagreement.
    Agreed.

    The thing I like about you is you know your stance and are never ugly in maintaining it. That is an admirable quality.

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    Agreed.

    The thing I like about you is you know your stance and are never ugly in maintaining it. That is an admirable quality.
    Yeah, what's the point? You're not changing my mind or vice versa.

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