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I predict this thread goes 10+ pages.
If the Miami Heat win the championship, Shaquille O'Neal will surpass Michael Jordan to become the greatest basketball player of all-time. He won three championships with the Lakers before Kobe's ego destroyed that franchise. He gets traded to a mediocre team for three of their best players yet still takes that team to a championship. That is better credentials than anyone who has ever played. Shaq would become the best ever.
I predict this thread goes 10+ pages.
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Don't know about that but it would probably make Kobe the stupidest basketball player of all-time.
This won't even go three pages because there is no way to argue against the declaration. Shaquille O'Neal would become the best player ever and it wouldn't even be that close.
I won't argue it because it aint gonna happen.
What if Lebron's team wins it all? what then?
I dont think i could ever endure hearing people call Shaqg the greatest basketball player of all time. He is simply the biggest basketball player of all time and know how to throw his body around. He has no more basketball skill than college kids. He is 70lbs heavier than anyone else though and get away with as much if not more dirty play than Karl Malone did. He also lives in the lane and never seems to get called for 3 second violations...
it will take more than 1 more ring for shaq to surpass jordan as best player ever, imo.
he already has "most dominant" and if anything, another ring would cement that claim.
Shaq may be the biggest player in the game, but MJ was the most athletic. Different attributes, but they both used their advantage to dominate. And I have never bought the idea that Shaq has no skills. He has very good foot work and is the best passing bigman in the game.
Geez! Could you imagine how big Shaq's already big head would get if this transpired?
I see your point and you are probably right, but not everyone considers MJ the greatest to begin with...he had a lot of help on those last 3 les...
That last triple champion team you had a 55 win team without MJ playing...added to it was the greatest 3 point shooter ever, and one of the greatest rebounders ever.
It might shake up the world for those that do consider MJ the greatest, then again, those who consider MJ the greatest because of 6 les might not consider Shaq the greatest if all he has is 4...
In any case...let's just hope this doesn't happen, and let's hope it's our team that makes sure of it.
I think the debate that will come out of this if Shaq wins...is Dwayne Wade better than Kobe?
not only that, but he has great hands. if his teamates throw it his direction he will get it.
getting swept by the rockets when it counted most does not help his cause either.....
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I'd be shocked if Shaq got past Detroit, much less the Spurs. Let's not let a game that slipped away go to our heads now. The Heat's record againt the west is pretty poor.
Shaq should not be considered better than Jordan, even if he wins a le this season.
Yep.
Shaq winning a championship with the Heat would be almost as impressive as Jordan winning one with the Wizards.
Why? Explain.
The Heat won 42 games last season, the Wizards won 19 before Jordan arrived.
Are you on drugs right now or something?
How many games would the Heat have won without Odom, CButler and Grant?
Answer that and get off my nvts.
Jordan was more durable, he played a lot of full seasons and didn't take as many nights off as Shaq for one thing.
Shaq had a few seasons where his teams simply did not always commit to defense, including himself. Little nicks here and there and Shaq would complain etc..His teams underacheived during the regular season.
Jordan has lead his teams to 72 wins, 69 wins, 67 wins and has had teams where both offense and defense were #1 in the league (in 9596 and 9697).
Sure he did not dominate single handedly on defense, but offensively he was a bit better than Shaq. He simply had more dominating seasons than Shaq.
Shaq in 1999-00 was nearly as good as Jordan, but even David Robinson had a season or two like that (minus the le however). But Kobe was no slouch in 1999-00 either.
Ultimately Jordans best teams were better than Shaq's and did not really underacheive all that much. You got the impression that Jordan wanted to cut your heart out every night, and he practically did. Shaq could not always keep that same focus on both ends in multiple seasons.
Last edited by Nikos; 02-14-2005 at 03:25 PM.
Shaq= 3 rings and IF the Heat win this year that would be 4.
Jordan= 6 rings
I agree that he has a chance to become the best player ever but I think it won't happen because he will not win anymore championships. I think Lebron has a better shot at surpassing Jordan as the best player ever.(Aside from Timmy)
How can you compare a 32 year old guy to a 41 year old guy?
Nikos I agree, that's what I always liked about Jordan, he always wanted to cut your heart out, he was always motivated to dominate anyone and everyone and there was no switch to turn off or on, he was on the moment he stepped on the court regardless of anything.
Has Wade reach superstar or near superstar status? If so then Shaq has followed the standard formula of two superstars equals a championship. Wade will have to play consistently like he did against the Spurs, which was superstar level with 17 points in the fourth, for Miami to get past Detroit and the Spurs and win the le.
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