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well, the dumbasses in san antonio voted down funding for the area community colleges...
http://www.lufkindailynews.com/opin/content/news/opinion/stories/2005/02/16/20050216LDNeddy.html;COXnetJSessionID=CS2dci6xnEJ2 OVkwTuGTXRzNEVrw94zIg61wT1dn1MRczCLOc0bg!-400349811?urac=n&urvf=11085391010610.6419122765287 003To close that gap, the TACC has requested an additional $318.9 million for community colleges for the next biennium, which it says would have the state fund 62.2 percent of college operations. That amount would include more than $3.4 million for Angelina College.
The TACC estimates that the state's 50 community colleges have a total annual economic impact worth $13.5 billion, including $11.6 billion in wages and salaries earned by former students. A myriad of worthy, important programs are competing before the Legislature for state dollars. But like for students and local taxpayers, few are as good a deal for the state as its community colleges.
You do the math.
well, the dumbasses in san antonio voted down funding for the area community colleges...
Perhaps it was because the dumbasses who run the ACCD didn't listen to the people.
Maybe "the people" were misled by those who thought more of the politics of the situation rather than the realities.
Perhaps the reality is that the location of the medical school belongs in the inner city and the ACCD leaders are the ones misled by political reasons.
The reality is that Brady Green is completely unsuitable.
the accd bill not only was to build 2 schools, but also renovate all the existing schools... now they don't get renovated
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From what I've read most voters supported improving the ACCD but not the location of med.school.
Do another bond for improvements only and I bet it'd pass.
Most people that are going to community college and can't pass just need to get a damned job and forget about it.
I have seen some of the tests.
I think becoming a sandwich artist at Subway is harder.
Community College is a great way for many to start their college education and many go on to UTSA or another school.
I know a few students who work at Subway to make ends meet while attending college...and lose weight in the process.
May I be so bold as to ask "why" the Medical School belongs in the inner city? Bull !
You want an education go get it. It shouldn't be brought to you. I am tired
of the "inner city" "minorities" and whatever other type "PC" junk stuff. No
one owes anyone, anything, anyway.
we had a big argument in another thread on this subject a few weeks ago... a few minority big wigs complain to make a name for themselves and they really only screw their cons uents...
I see both sides of the argument.
There were a few ACCD big wigs who wanted it their way and I guess they assumed it would pass and got a rude awakening.
But I am upset that the funding for the building of a ACCD site out near where I live wasn't passed but I can live with that.
People who don't live in the downtown area where SAC and St. Phillip's are may simple not understand why the want the school down there just as those downtown probably don't get why the school should be located way up on the NE side.
I think it is human nature to want things near you and some don't like their cheese moved at all.
But I think a compromise can be reached and should have been reached before the bond was put for vote.
Did the ACCD leaders really think they had the support?
And if their cons uents voted it down..then didn't they represent their cons uents wishes?
Just throwing some thoughts out there.
i was saying they were against the accd bond proposal to make them look like they are helping the minorities..but in reality the are only hurting the minorities by renovating the schools they frequent more(sac, st philips, etc)....
If the ACCD leadership is serious about passinga bond, then can fix this one and get it onboard by May.
The people reached a breaking point. You guys can criticize that all you like, but the people have a voice and have used it.
I doubt everyone that has come into this thread knocking them who was eligble to vote did so.
only 20,000 said no... too bad no one else in san antonio felt they could be bothered with this to vote... so, basically those 20,000 said, "no, don't fix our school." the rest of san antonio showed they could care less about it too...
No, those 20,000 said we don't want the campus in the medical center. Why can't you understand that?
It was a breaking point. They had no problem with the rest of the bond, it was a problem with a location of where over a fifth of the money in the bond was going to go.
I've stated before that the ACCD has yet to release THREE studies that suggested a downtown location for that campus. Sure, they released the 2 that backed up their choice, but not the other 3?
If they try to do this again, expect a battle in court over those reports.
Why don't you direct some of your anger at the ACCD board instead of the people who actually excercised their right to vote? They had a voice, and they chose to speak out with that voice. Had the ACCD board paid attention to them sooner, they could have presented a bond that would have passed.
And I've stated time and time again, if the ACCD wanted the bond to pass, they'd get it on the ballot for May with the issue corrected.
From what I've read and heard the majority of the voters DO want the fund the ACCD improvements but didn't want the med.school located in the medical center.
Politicians do this kind of thing all the time.
Propose a bill that is 75% agreeable to most and then throw something in there and hope that the people will vote to accept the whole package.
Well maybe that was the ACCD staff's thinking? Maybe they thought that if they had enough support for the improvements then they would over look the location of the new school. It just didn't work out that way.
regardless this is only 20,000 people who voted against... that is only .018% of the population of san antonio...
The population is an irrelevant figure. What you want is registered voters. And that is about 1.5 percetn of registered voters.
You won't hear a louder voice in here than mine saying that more people need to get out and vote. I said it when I was unhappy with election results in November, and I said it when I was happy with the results of the last election.
The fact remains that you havent' said one thing about the ACCD leadership and their efforts to supress information pertinent to the dicussion over this initiative. The people that cared enough went to vote, and they had their voice heard.
the accd leadership is probably just like the last group.. all crooks...
Yeah, so I can now see why you think the people should simply listen to them hands down.
to me, building a nursing school near the medical center makes sense.... building it in a poor, crime neighborhood doesn't make sense at all...
Both sides make great points in this thread (I voted yes for the bond).
Manny, while I said that the voters spoke their voices, I don't believe all 20K came out simply against the location.
Clan, what remains to be seen is if those who are against placement of the new school downtown make THEIR voices heard if they are that against it.
I'm not going to lie, though. If the ACCD brought the exact same package to the ballot, save for the downtown location instead of the Medical Center, I'd still vote yes.
My main concern with this past election was getting those other schools the funding they needed, because I got out of NVC right before the rush started and I can only imagine the crap they must be going through with the skyrocketing enrollment.
I'm a firm believer in higher education for those that want it/earn it. Professors are teaching classes that are entirely too large, classrooms don't have the equipment they need and students aren't getting the best teaching possible because of it.
When I was at NVC, I had a number of professors who actually TAUGHT me. Professors who challenged me and made me think for myself. I don't have as many of those at Texas State.
I'm taking a "Sports As News" class. You want to know what we did in Monday's class. We watched the "ESPN 25 - SportsCenter commercials" DVD. That's it.
Then the professor has the nerve to go to my faculty advisor at the paper and say that me and another person in the class are "whispering in the back and probably badmouthing his class". We were actually talking about our favorite ESPN commercials and a point/counterpoint column we were writing for later in the week.
Back to my point about NVC. I had one professor (for government and criminal justice) at NVC that was a former SA City Councilman. Hey, what do you know, somebody that actually KNOWS what they're talking about. I still contend that he is one of the greatest instructors I have ever known.
Quite frankly, the ACCD needs help. They need responsible money management and they need to cater responsibly to the needs and wants of their students. I'm still in agreement that the Medical Center is the best area for a medical campus, but the greater need is in the bond.
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