Beno balls on Hill and Bonner is just ballin.

[SpurSupremacist]

Feels good to be right.

Hill's line: 4 points (2-7FG, 0-0FT), 3 assists, 2 rebounds, 0 steals, 2 turnovers... pulled out of the game because Beno was doing him and he couldn't do anything to him on offense. -8 +/-. He'll be lucky if Jacque Vaughn doesn't start next game.

Beno's line: 16 points (5-11FG, 6-6FT), 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 5 turnovers. +6 +/-.

Anyone thinking Hill was on Beno's level should pretty much be silenced now. Now, I understand you can have a bad game, but if you actually saw the game... it was apparent Hill couldn't guard him, and Hill couldn't do anything to him on offense. Like I said previously, you could build a mansion with the bricks Hill puts up.

I also just want to pause and laugh out loud for a moment at one poster who said Hill was going to give Beno a "thrashing". Looks like the 'thrasher' got 'thrashed', eh? Beno was getting wherever he wanted on the court, and pulling up in his face any time he wanted. Am I surprised? Well... not really.

Bonner, have to add, was ballin... yet again. 11 points (3-5 3PT), 7 boards, an assist and 2 steals. +5 +/-. Nothing surprising here.

[romad_20]

Feels good to be right.

Hill's line: 4 points (2-7FG, 0-0FT), 3 assists, 2 rebounds, 0 steals, 2 turnovers... pulled out of the game because Beno was doing him and he couldn't do anything to him on offense. -8 +/-. He'll be lucky if Jacque Vaughn doesn't start next game.

Beno's line: 16 points (5-11FG, 6-6FT), 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 5 turnovers. +6 +/-.

Anyone thinking Hill was on Beno's level should pretty much be silenced now. Now, I understand you can have a bad game, but if you actually saw the game... it was apparent Hill couldn't guard him, and Hill couldn't do anything to him on offense. Like I said previously, you could build a mansion with the bricks Hill puts up.

I also just want to pause and laugh out loud for a moment at one poster who said Hill was going to give Beno a "thrashing". Looks like the 'thrasher' got 'thrashed', eh? Beno was getting wherever he wanted on the court, and pulling up in his face any time he wanted. Am I surprised? Well... not really.

Bonner, have to add, was ballin... yet again. 11 points (3-5 3PT), 7 boards, an assist and 2 steals. +5 +/-. Nothing surprising here.

If Bonner can give us 11 every night we might be getting our money's worth.

As far as Beno vs Hill, Hill is still leaps and bounds above Beno on the defensive end and Hill looks like he can actually beat a trap. To claim Beno was doing some sort of thrashing is way out there.

[TDMVPDPOY]

didnt beno break kobes ankles?

hill both ankles...

[Brazil]

Hill is a rook, it seems normal for him to have ups and downs, I still think that he has a potential higher than beno.

[SpurSupremacist]

If Bonner can give us 11 every night we might be getting our money's worth.

As far as Beno vs Hill, Hill is still leaps and bounds above Beno on the defensive end and Hill looks like he can actually beat a trap. To claim Beno was doing some sort of thrashing is way out there.

If Bonner gets around 28 minutes a night consistently, I have no doubt in my mind he can do this on a consistent basis.

As far as Hill, the only reason he's a better defensive player than Beno is purely athleticism and length. Has nothing to do with superior awareness, or anything of the sort. I do concede he's a better defender, but at the same time... he could not stop Beno, Beno got to whatever spots he wanted on the floor. 3 or 4 of Beno's shots were halfway down and went out. And like I said, Hill couldn't do a thing to him on offense. Jacque Vaughn had more success against him.

[SpurSupremacist]

Hill is a rook, it seems normal for him to have ups and downs, I still think that he has a potential higher than beno.

I'll agree, only because he has the potential to be a lockdown defender and he's still very young. That jumper is awful as of right now, though.

[romad_20]

If Bonner gets around 28 minutes a night consistently, I have no doubt in my mind he can do this on a consistent basis.

As far as Hill, the only reason he's a better defensive player than Beno is purely athleticism and length. Has nothing to do with superior awareness, or anything of the sort. I do concede he's a better defender, but at the same time... he could not stop Beno, Beno got to whatever spots he wanted on the floor. 3 or 4 of Beno's shots were halfway down and went out. And like I said, Hill couldn't do a thing to him on offense. Jacque Vaughn had more success against him.

I'm not disagreeing with your point on the game last night, but I would still rather have Hill at this point. I would disagree about Hill's awareness. He is very quick on rotations and is a very opportunistic defender, something Beno is not. I never felt comfortable about Beno running the offense when was with the Spurs. He never shot the ball with any consistency and seemed tentative. Hill hasn't shown me any of that so far. Plus once Hill gets more comfortable, he is going to start going to the hole with more consistent results.

[jman3000]

Those 5 bricks would build a really small and ty mansion.

[urunobili]

Who got the ball stolen from Hill when he went to the basket alone?

[SpurSupremacist]

Those 5 bricks would build a really small and ty mansion.

They're adding up. Rome wasn't built in a day, but you may be able to build it by the end of the season, with the ac ulated bricks he will put up.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

They're adding up. Rome wasn't built in a day, but you may be able to build it by the end of the season, with the ac ulated bricks he will put up.

I bet Beno will have more bricks than Hill by the end of the season.

[j.r. haider]

Feels good to be right.

Hill's line: 4 points (2-7FG, 0-0FT), 3 assists, 2 rebounds, 0 steals, 2 turnovers... pulled out of the game because Beno was doing him and he couldn't do anything to him on offense. -8 +/-. He'll be lucky if Jacque Vaughn doesn't start next game.

Beno's line: 16 points (5-11FG, 6-6FT), 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 5 turnovers. +6 +/-.

Anyone thinking Hill was on Beno's level should pretty much be silenced now. Now, I understand you can have a bad game, but if you actually saw the game... it was apparent Hill couldn't guard him, and Hill couldn't do anything to him on offense. Like I said previously, you could build a mansion with the bricks Hill puts up.

I also just want to pause and laugh out loud for a moment at one poster who said Hill was going to give Beno a "thrashing". Looks like the 'thrasher' got 'thrashed', eh? Beno was getting wherever he wanted on the court, and pulling up in his face any time he wanted. Am I surprised? Well... not really.

Bonner, have to add, was ballin... yet again. 11 points (3-5 3PT), 7 boards, an assist and 2 steals. +5 +/-. Nothing surprising here.

you sure like to talk about balls, don't you?

[SpurSupremacist]

I'm not disagreeing with your point on the game last night, but I would still rather have Hill at this point. I would disagree about Hill's awareness. He is very quick on rotations and is a very opportunistic defender, something Beno is not. I never felt comfortable about Beno running the offense when was with the Spurs. He never shot the ball with any consistency and seemed tentative. Hill hasn't shown me any of that so far. Plus once Hill gets more comfortable, he is going to start going to the hole with more consistent results.

You're mixing up awareness with pure athleticism.

And the reason Beno seemed tentative was because he had such a short leash from Popo . I think Popo might be learning a small amount from the Beno -up, though. He seems to have maybe a bit more patience with Hill. But hey, he has to. What other choice does he have? Also, teams have not yet tried to pressure Hill, which is something I am surprised by, considering he isn't a true point at all.

[Bender]

If Bonner gets around 28 minutes a night consistently, I have no doubt in my mind he can do this on a consistent basis.

yes, I think that his increased play / scoring is due to his much increased playing time.

[SpurSupremacist]

I bet Beno will have more bricks than Hill by the end of the season.

Charles Barkley, is that you?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Charles Barkley, is that you?

I see you have a good sense of humor. I noticed it in your first post of the thread.

[zepn]

Feels good to be right.

You must be double-jointed.

[diego]

Feels good to be right.

Hill's line: 4 points (2-7FG, 0-0FT), 3 assists, 2 rebounds, 0 steals, 2 turnovers... pulled out of the game because Beno was doing him and he couldn't do anything to him on offense. -8 +/-. He'll be lucky if Jacque Vaughn doesn't start next game.

Beno's line: 16 points (5-11FG, 6-6FT), 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 5 turnovers. +6 +/-.

you forgot that beno got outplayed by jacque vaughn again, and that his team lost, again.

wait till the end of the season for the beno vs hill comparisons. the kings will be in the lottery and the spurs will be in the playoffs and you'll have 82 games to compare

[romad_20]

You're mixing up awareness with pure athleticism.

And the reason Beno seemed tentative was because he had such a short leash from Popo . I think Popo might be learning a small amount from the Beno -up, though. He seems to have maybe a bit more patience with Hill. But hey, he has to. What other choice does he have? Also, teams have not yet tried to pressure Hill, which is something I am surprised by, considering he isn't a true point at all.

Nevermind. I thought you might be coming from a logical place, but you're obviously some sort of Beno homer. Popo ? Pop is one of the best coaches of all-time. Anyone who disagrees with that has no idea about basketball, period. Did you ever think Beno was in the doghouse constantly because he ed up constantly? It wasn't like he was a badass player and Pop wasn't giving him time. Every time he got on the court he was either out of shape, injured, or screwed up. Beno only has to play one end of the court in Sac, offense.

And athleticism doesn't put you in the correct positions to make defensive plays, awareness does.

[SpurSupremacist]

you forgot that beno got outplayed by jacque vaughn again, and that his team lost, again.

wait till the end of the season for the beno vs hill comparisons. the kings will be in the lottery and the spurs will be in the playoffs and you'll have 82 games to compare

Where are you getting that Jacque Vaughn outplayed him? Because he certainly did not. rofl

Let's say the Kings are in the lottery, which they very well may be... that isn't on Beno, the team is . Just as the Spurs being in the playoffs won't be because of Hill. Beno doesn't have Duncan, Ginobili and Parker on his team. Sorry. Apples and oranges.

[Go For Tree]

Feels good to be right.

Hill's line: 4 points (2-7FG, 0-0FT), 3 assists, 2 rebounds, 0 steals, 2 turnovers... pulled out of the game because Beno was doing him and he couldn't do anything to him on offense. -8 +/-. He'll be lucky if Jacque Vaughn doesn't start next game.

Beno's line: 16 points (5-11FG, 6-6FT), 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 5 turnovers. +6 +/-.

Anyone thinking Hill was on Beno's level should pretty much be silenced now. Now, I understand you can have a bad game, but if you actually saw the game... it was apparent Hill couldn't guard him, and Hill couldn't do anything to him on offense. Like I said previously, you could build a mansion with the bricks Hill puts up.

I also just want to pause and laugh out loud for a moment at one poster who said Hill was going to give Beno a "thrashing". Looks like the 'thrasher' got 'thrashed', eh? Beno was getting wherever he wanted on the court, and pulling up in his face any time he wanted. Am I surprised? Well... not really.

Bonner, have to add, was ballin... yet again. 11 points (3-5 3PT), 7 boards, an assist and 2 steals. +5 +/-. Nothing surprising here.

!!!BASURA!!! it wont be long before we ALL realize Hill was quite a steal in this years draft...... It took beno four years before he could beat a full court press.... Do you not remember how pathetic he was against the pistons in the finals and couldnt get the ball past half court????...... with that said, id still rather see beno in a spurs uni than mr vaughn but whatever.... two in a row!

[SpurSupremacist]

Nevermind. I thought you might be coming from a logical place, but you're obviously some sort of Beno homer. Popo ? Pop is one of the best coaches of all-time. Anyone who disagrees with that has no idea about basketball, period.

Popo is only perceived as a great coach because he has had Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker. My mother could win trotting out those lineups a great percentage of the time.

Did you ever think Beno was in the doghouse constantly because he ed up constantly?

No.

It wasn't like he was a badass player and Pop wasn't giving him time.

Really? So he magically just blossomed the minute he arrived in Sacramento... got ya.

Every time he got on the court he was either out of shape, injured, or screwed up.

See above.

Beno only has to play one end of the court in Sac, offense.

Funny, it seemed like Hill couldn't do when he was guarding him.

And athleticism doesn't put you in the correct positions to make defensive plays, awareness does.

It gets you there quicker. And you can't underestimate the importance of long arms when making defensive plays.

[SpurSupremacist]

!!!BASURA!!! it wont be long before we ALL realize Hill was quite a steal in this years draft...... It took beno four years before he could beat a full court press.... Do you not remember how pathetic he was against the pistons in the finals and couldnt get the ball past half court????...... with that said, id still rather see beno in a spurs uni than mr vaughn but whatever.... two in a row!

We will see who has the better assist to turnover ratio at the end of Hill's rookie season, we will compare it to Beno's rookie season, and if Beno's isn't better... I will be very surprised.

[romad_20]

Popo is only perceived as a great coach because he has had Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker. My mother could win trotting out those lineups a great percentage of the time.

Name one coach that hasn't won with great players.

Now think about how many coaches with great players haven't won . Your arguments are weak.

[bdictjames]

Maybe Hill has trouble guarding Europeans? Beno pretty much has a style of his own.