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    Believe. byrontx's Avatar
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    sonna 'n Bush hosed the country!

    and now republican re s are claiming we did it out of the goodness of our hearts because Saddam was a bad guy.

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    Worth every penny.

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    Worth every penny.

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    Ain't over 'till its over MaNuMaNiAc's Avatar
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    Worth every penny.
    do you honestly believe that?

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    do you honestly believe that?
    I honestly believe had he spent less, there'd be a whole lot more dead people. Yes.

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    People die in the world all the time. That is reality.

    The American government's duty is to Americans.

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    Ain't over 'till its over MaNuMaNiAc's Avatar
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    I honestly believe had he spent less, there'd be a whole lot more dead people. Yes.
    I see, what if there was no war? what then?

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    the war was a waste of money

    it only made sense when oil was drying up and pushing up the prices....now its back down to affordable prices......gtfo while you still can.....

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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    I see, what if there was no war? what then?
    I believe there'd be a lot more dead Americans.

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    I believe there'd be a lot more dead Americans.
    More dead Americans because the war would have been under-funded while in combat?

    Or more dead Americans because Sadaam was planning to invade the US with his WMDs?

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    Ain't over 'till its over MaNuMaNiAc's Avatar
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    I believe there'd be a lot more dead Americans.
    really? let's see... just by looking at the numbers, how many terrorist attacks would you say it would take to have as many casualties as there are dead American soldiers right now?

    you either look at it from the numbers perspective or the principle of the thing. Given that the "principle of the thing" angle has been pretty much been blown to and the numbers don't really support your claim, I ask again, do you really still believe that?

    P.S. How much better prepared to cope with today's economic crysis would the US be if there had been no Iraq war?

    EDIT: This is all depends on whether you view the Iraq war as a legitimate attempt to fight terrorism... which most people don't.
    Last edited by MaNuMaNiAc; 12-16-2008 at 10:02 AM.

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    What can really chap your ass is not only was the war not needed for American security but the ty planning meant it was under-funded at the wrong times. Not enough protective gear (moms and dads were sending their military kids protective vests) and for a long time after the guys on the ground were asking for protection from improvised roadside bombs they were being sent out in lightly armored Humvees. Remember them rumaging through dumps for scrap metal to convert to improvised armor?

    Worse, the needed number of troops weren't sent and when they finally did it was marketed as "The Surge" as though it was a military miracle.

    Not only did they blow all that money, money that we could be using to put our economic house in order, but they somehow did it while trying to make war on the cheap. ing idiots!

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    2nd Verse Same as the 1st Oh, Gee!!'s Avatar
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    So what?

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    at the "surge".

    surge=paying them not to kill us.

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    We should be getting paid back by the Iraqis, but we won't..

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    We should be getting paid back by the Iraqis, but we won't..
    yeah...lets bring back the tributes...roman empire style...then we could even make commercials....

    tired of your dictator? do the comforts and security of civilization got you down? no one to turn to? well then...
    call the USA...we'll turn your country from the only secular muslim state in the world to a third world oil/tire fire in a matter of months!!! enjoy endless years of unsanctioned occupation...all for the low, low price of 25% of your GDP for the next 200 years...*mission accomplished sign an extra 10 billion....

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    Ain't over 'till its over MaNuMaNiAc's Avatar
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    We should be getting paid back by the Iraqis, but we won't..

    Priceless!

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    I posted this a couple weeks ago:


    The current bailout costs more than all of the following (in inflation adjusted dollars):


    • Marshall Plan: Cost: $12.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $115.3 billion
    • Louisiana Purchase: Cost: $15 million, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $217 billion
    • Race to the Moon: Cost: $36.4 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $237 billion
    • S&L Crisis: Cost: $153 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $256 billion
    • Korean War: Cost: $54 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $454 billion
    • The New Deal: Cost: $32 billion (Est), Inflation Adjusted Cost: $500 billion (Est)
    • Invasion of Iraq: Cost: $551b, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $597 billion
    • Vietnam War: Cost: $111 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $698 billion
    • NASA: Cost: $416.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $851.2 billion

    TOTAL: $3.92 trillion

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    Evidently, my Iraq cost is a little bit outdated. The bailout is still more than all those combined.

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    I posted this a couple weeks ago:


    The current bailout costs more than all of the following (in inflation adjusted dollars):


    • Marshall Plan: Cost: $12.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $115.3 billion
    • Louisiana Purchase: Cost: $15 million, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $217 billion
    • Race to the Moon: Cost: $36.4 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $237 billion
    • S&L Crisis: Cost: $153 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $256 billion
    • Korean War: Cost: $54 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $454 billion
    • The New Deal: Cost: $32 billion (Est), Inflation Adjusted Cost: $500 billion (Est)
    • Invasion of Iraq: Cost: $551b, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $597 billion
    • Vietnam War: Cost: $111 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $698 billion
    • NASA: Cost: $416.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $851.2 billion

    TOTAL: $3.92 trillion

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    Evidently, my Iraq cost is a little bit outdated. The bailout is still more than all those combined.
    WHo told you the bailout costs $4 trillion?

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    WHo told you the bailout costs $4 trillion?
    Actually, that was an old estimate. I've heard it's up to 8.5 trillion now.

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    Actually, that was an old estimate. I've heard it's up to 8.5 trillion now.
    What are you talking about?

    Congress passed a $700B bailout bill. There were some talks of other stimulous packages . . . but please explain to me how do you get from that to $8.5 trillion?

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    Ain't over 'till its over MaNuMaNiAc's Avatar
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    What are you talking about?

    Congress passed a $700B bailout bill. There were some talks of other stimulous packages . . . but please explain to me how do you get from that to $8.5 trillion?
    he might be talking pesos

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    Congress passed a $700B bailout bill. There were some talks of other stimulous packages . . . but please explain to me how do you get from that to $8.5 trillion?

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