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He was OK. He looked a bit lost at times, which would be natural for a player new to the team. He airballed a FT, so he should fit in fine.
I was over all farily impressed watched this game on a big screen TV in a sports bar last night. (Many Spurs fans in the Philly area)
My ranking = 8.5/10 vs. expectations after reading several NY rags that expressed some negativity about him (boy the continued love for Rose in NY Times today = great for him!), for a few days but trying to balance that by hearing from many NBA "talking heads" that Spurs made out like bandits.
First game solid 6/6 in about a quarter of play. Fine with me. I would rather not have a spectacular flame out (i.e. Massenburg first game as starter vs. Kings?? vs. rest of play of late).
Seems to be very solid, looks fairly strong and athletic even though he was sometimes tentative and may be bothered still by his groin injury.
A side effect is that potentially this trade may have spurred Rasho to play better - he was pretty solid last night = I don't think anyone could have totally shut down Z.
I was a Rose fan big-time but I am chillin over all that. Seems like a win win trade for all concerned.
He was OK. He looked a bit lost at times, which would be natural for a player new to the team. He airballed a FT, so he should fit in fine.
POSITIVES
-Bigger than I thought he was. Has long arms and big hands.
-Looks like he can jump and has good rebounding instincts.
-Set a couple good picks and came off looking ready for the pass.
-Wasn't afraid to take the ball to the basket.
-Looks coachable and listens to instructions.
NEGATIVES
-Ugly form on jumper. He should avoid ever shooting a turn-around jumper again.
-Gives up on defense. Isn't as relentless as the Spurs need him to be on D.
-Doesn't go up to dunk. His shot got bothered because he didn't take it up strong enough.
-Looks foul prone. Had a couple dumb fouls.
-Looked clueless defending the pick and roll.
Given this was after seeing him in only one game as a Spur. So far, he looks pretty good. If he can come in and give the team 6 to 8 rebounds per game, this would turn out to be a great trade.
We'll see.
One thing's for sure, Rasho has started playing like his job is in jeopardy. Oh wait, it is!
As long as he's not a stiff and does something other than just "big".
Trading Malik and two #1's for a "stiff" would have been a stupid losers trade. Because Malik is much more than a stiff and has the ability to impact a game, I don't care how short he is. And that's got nothing to do with sentimentality and everything to do with winning a le.
I can live somewhat without Malik's emotion because I think Manu has taken over that role anyway...but that doesn't mean we can just add endless stiffs to the team and still expect to have the emotional firepower needed to win a le.
TimVP, that dunk thing you noticed must be because of his injury...the Knicks fans said he dunks a lot...he dunks more than he does anything else, specifically off of his own O rebounds, and he's good at dunking. That's one of the things they said that got me excited...
As far as stupid fouls, I think part of it was the refs calling stupid fouls. Remember Rasho had something like five and Tim had four....
Two words on fouls = Jack Nies = Spurs nemesis.
Nazr took over Rasho's spot-That spot being the ugliest jump shot on the team.
I was very pleased with his outing though. He was lost on pick n' rolls, but Duncan can look pretty lost at times also. That is my number one fear.
2 first rounders and Malik for a guy who averages 7 and 5.....I don't know guys...can't malik give you this if he plays the same amount of minutes.
Funny for a lottery bound Laker fan to be spouting off right now.
Your GM let all the other teams make moves. Heck even GS outdid the Lakers.
What does this have to do with the Lakers....what if I was a Piston fan or a Heat fan...I am just stating my opinion. We held pat....the moves will come when Phil is on board.
The fact you are a Laker fan actually doesn't mean that much (you are not LakerGod) but right now it seems I would be more worried about that team. Nazr by the way has had some pretty good stats actually:
PLAYER AVERAGES
REBOUNDS
Player G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
Nazr Mohammed 1 0 16.0 .333 .000 .500 2.00 4.00 6.00 .0 .00 .00 2.00 4.00 6.0
Nazr Mohammed (TOT) 55 54 27.9 .506 .000 .703 3.10 5.00 8.10 .5 .96 .96 1.51 3.20 10.8
Nazr season averages are more like 11 and 8. (In other words close to a double double in only 28 minutes a game).
Last edited by Rummpd; 03-01-2005 at 05:20 PM.
Do you think he'll play that many minutes as a Spur?
I think he'll average around 20mpg and if he puts up 7 and 5, that would be great.
If you were a Piston fan I would respect you.
Lakers = gay
Why did you round 8.1 up to 9?Nazr season averages are more like 11 and 9
My bad but this is interesting:
Mourning may be in uniform Thursday when Miami visits New Jersey. He averaged 10.4 points and 7.1 rebounds in 18 games for the Nets earlier this season.
Very close to the stats of Nazr!!
It's all going to depend on how many shots he can block, if he can get just one block per game in twenty minutes he can work his way into the starting lineup. Maybe even .75 blocks per game could get him into the starting lineup.....
Instead of comparing Nazr's stats as a starter to Malik's bench stats...why doesn't someone compare their stats from when they were both bench players?
Malik's stats (PPG and RBG)as a starter are far superior to Nazr's, albeit, it's a much smaller sample size..but Malik's career highs are better...and Malik has to work a of a lot harder than other bigmen.
And Malik's numbers were better without Duncan in the lineup than they were with him.
The only stat I see in which Nazr is clearly superior to Malik is fg%....and that's only a recent devleopment.
I expect that Mohammed is going to get his points a lot easier than Malik, he's going to finish at the basket easier and get more dunks and easy layups, it won't be such a struggle like it was with Malik.......but that doesn't mean he's going to get more of them...Malik was always up for that struggle...and was active and worked really hard.
Last edited by whottt; 03-01-2005 at 05:50 PM.
Whottt, remember also Nazr's coaching.
After Pitino hes had bozos coaching him.
Lets take alot of that into effect. Look at what Pop and Co did for Stephen Jackson.
I don't understand why everyone compares Nazr with Rose, they are different players.
They don't play in the same spot, Nazr is a center and Rose a PF.
We trade Rose because we needed another Center to put some pressure on Rasho, and you will not find a better one than Nazr to fill this role.
It is meaningless to compare them, they bring things totally different.
To my mind this is a good trade in the long run, even if we lost a bit of the Spurs soul with Malik leaving the Spurs. As Pop said, we needed size to compete with the strongest team in the East, and I think he is right to already prepare to the finals because Phoenix or Seattle are not as good as the Lakers of last year, and the Spurs are definitely better.
I understand that Spurs fans are interested in Malik's performance as a Knicks, but I will enjoy it much more if they didn't compare it with Nazr's one after every game.
Only if he makes it off the bench. Comparing the reality of Nazr to the three year old memory of Malik really doesn't make much sense. I really like Malik, but I do think we need to remember reality, and that is:
as long as Malik insisted on playing the way he has the past two seasons, he was never going to see consistant court time. He would have had the occasional throwback game, but nothing consistent. As long as Pop is coach, this reality wasn't going to change. As Chumpdumper has said in the past, "Either play him or trade him." They didn't play him.
Someone gets it! Judge Nazr by the position he plays!
You make good points(except for the part where you cite Dump, which is always a bad idea)...
I'll say that nothing really changed about Malik's game between the year we won the le and last year...What changed was the addition of Robert Horry. One of the great bench players in NBA history. He's really a starter more than a bench player.
So Pop had other options to flex his muscles that he didn't have in previous years...and let's face it...what makes Horry Horry is the fact that he doesn't make many mistakes...he almost always makes smart plays and plays smart regardless of his stats. Horry is definitely the less volatile choice...and he's a winner too.
IMO, it is also Horry that made Malik tradeable.
Now I agree that Malik's assets didn't do us much good with his butt glued to the bench...but I'll also point out that we failed to repeat as NBA champions. IMO Malik might have changed that. Horry played pretty badly against LA, I won't say he choked, I'll just say they knew him better than we did, but Malik historically played very very well against the Lakers...With Hedo(and others) choking...we could have used his rebounding...and last year it was Shaq that killed us, for the first time.
First time without DRob.last year it was Shaq that killed us, for the first time.
Drob no doubt played a big part of it, of course, but Malik was part of it too. I'll point you to the 2002 playoffs...where we entered the 4th quarter of every game with a double digit lead I believe...
...when Drob was injured and basically incapcitated, even when he returned. We actually had a better showing against LA than we did in 01, and Shaq was held in check that series as well, for the second year in a row his FG% and PPG were lower against the Spurs tha any other team in the playoffs......we had a much better showing against LA, including winning 1 game in LA...and Malik played huge in that series, and especially in that win.
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