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you gotta stop blaming everyone else and get to work yourself at some point... there are many successful black people...if some can do it, the rest can too...
ReutersWASHINGTON (Reuters) - A batch of new studies suggesting that black males in the United States are falling ever further behind other groups in health, education and employment has ignited a debate within the black community about who is to blame and what can be done.
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Whatever the causes, the latest figures paint a bleak picture. For example, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in December that 51 percent of all HIV diagnoses were among blacks, who make up less than 13 percent of the population.
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Another recent study by the American Council on Education showed that twice as many black women as men now attend college. Over the past decade, the high school graduation rate for black men has fallen to 43 percent, while that of black women has risen to 56 percent.
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A report in June for the Alternative Schools Network found that in 2002 one in every four black men in the United States was permanently unemployed, a rate double that of white men and 70 percent higher than among Asian and Hispanic men.
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In its most recent report on the nation's prison population, the Department of Justice found that at the end of 2003, over 9 percent of all black males aged 26 to 29 were incarcerated, compared to 2.6 percent of Hispanics and 1.1 percent of whites.
Jesse Jackson once said, "Penn State $4000 a year; State Pen $20,000 a year".
It's your choice America.
The Black community is not blame-less in all this though. Check out the numbers of black man infected with HIV, and then check out the numbers of black women also infected. There is a very, very large population of black men leading closet sexual lives and getting themselves infected in the process. Then, they bring the virus home to the women with whom they're also having sex.
There is a frightening amount of hatred and denial about sexuals in the African-American community, and these men are much more afraid of being outed as being gay than they are of getting HIV.
It's terrible. A kind of self-annihilation. There's a racial holocaust taking place in America, and black men are the ones who are leading it.
you gotta stop blaming everyone else and get to work yourself at some point... there are many successful black people...if some can do it, the rest can too...
The American black male needs to stop blaming society for their own failures and take responsibility and control of their lives and stop giving in to the crack pipe and the gangsta rap.
The excuses are ridiculous, scandalous.....outrageous!!
WTF? Black men are gay that's why they have a higher percentage of HIV?
WHAT?
Don't forget sharing needles and having sex with drug addicts.There is a very, very large population of black men leading closet sexual lives and getting themselves infected in the proces
Reform always starts from within, but rarely does it happen without outside help.
I'm so tired of the at ude in here when it comes to helping minorities. Sure, they can and eventually will do it on their own, but if everyone ignores the problem and waits for it to fix itself the solution is going to come at a much higher cost to everyone.
What do you suggest Manny?
Rarely does what happen without outside help? To tell me I can't accomplish anything without the white man's help is ing insulting.Reform always starts from within, but rarely does it happen without outside help.
Almost as ridiculous as my paycheck.
Forget about the Great Society Programs of the past, they do not work. Instead, support the people who are making it. There are a ton of minorities who are self-made successes. Help duplicate their paths. You're not going to like this but for me it's GOD, Love of Country, and sense of repsonsiblity to my family.I'm so tired of the at ude in here when it comes to helping minorities. Sure, they can and eventually will do it on their own, but if everyone ignores the problem and waits for it to fix itself the solution is going to come at a much higher cost to everyone.
I know you're well intentioned Manny so don't take me wrong. I'm just pretty passionate about this particular subject.
Hook, you'll get your answer in this post as well...
Review my last post again, specificly:
Sure, they can and eventually will do it on their own
I never said "you can't accomplish anything without the white man's help". And I never intended to make this some kind of racial pissing contest.
What does any of that have to do with helping the African American community? I'm glad you are motivated to make yourself a success. I agree we should support the people that are making it, but how are they not getting support?[/b] Forget about the Great Society Programs of the past, they do not work. Instead, support the people who are making it. There are a ton of minorities who are self-made successes. Help duplicate their paths. You're not going to like this but for me it's GOD, Love of Country, and sense of repsonsiblity to my family.
I know you're well intentioned Manny so don't take me wrong. I'm just pretty passionate about this particular subject.
you say:
And I absolutely agree. But you also said:Help duplicate their paths
Do you want to stop contradicting yourself within a single post?Rarely does what happen without outside help? To tell me I can't accomplish anything without the white man's help is ing insulting.
I honestly don't care what motivates you. I think everyone is naturally motivated torwards success, but I believe minorities in poverty have larger hurdles to overcome torwards success and I believe that those larger hurdles are a direct result of government policies and actions over the past 400 years.
I therefore believe it is not only in this society's bes interest to do everything it can to help these communities achieve and equitable standard of living but it's obligation. I'm not talking abour reperations or any other nonsense of the like.
I am talking about much increased spending to raise education standards (bringing them up to par would be nice) and increased spending to raise the level of infrastructure in minority communities.
I'm not talking about welfare programs with the short sighted goal of keeping the heads of mere individuals above water, I am talking about sweeping reform that will have change the quality of life for generations.
Passionate? Ha!
Damn Straight. Pull up a damn chair.
Manny,
Please clarify this statement?
Reform always starts from within, but rarely does it happen without outside help.
What are you trying to say?
God, Love of Country, and a sense of family responsibilities is what's missing and directly responsible for what ill's the African American Community. I think Martin Luther King would agree with that.What does any of that have to do with helping the African American community?
I like, are you flexible enough to allow religion to play a role. One nation under God?I am talking about much increased spending to raise education standards (bringing them up to par would be nice) and increased spending to raise the level of infrastructure in minority communities.
Never questioned your passion, but since you asked yes. I'm a living example of someone who's made it out of the ghetto. How about you?Passionate? Ha!
^^^ I'm totally confused.
TwoCentsWorth, aren't you a white or hispanic guy?
The black community has been getting "help" for the past 40 years from the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. What has it gotten them? Maybe they should stop listening to "leaders" who are only out for their own personal agendas and start listening to the black leaders and pastors who are genuinely willing to help.
It all starts with getting rid of the gangsta mentality and taking some responsibility for your own life!
^^^That is some crazy Dan. Where do you get these facts? Or is this just part of your personal beliefs?The Black community is not blame-less in all this though. Check out the numbers of black man infected with HIV, and then check out the numbers of black women also infected. There is a very, very large population of black men leading closet sexual lives and getting themselves infected in the process. Then, they bring the virus home to the women with whom they're also having sex.
I have seen a dislike for sexuals and women in your previous posts, but now African Americans too??
In my opinion there are many, many men of all colors living closet sexual lives.
I am saying that while every group has the ability to make life better for themselves, they rarely (if ever) do so on their own.
Examples:
American Revolution
End Of Slavery
Civil Rights Movment of the 60s
And every conservatives wet dream...
Iraq
Directly responsible? No, they are not. Are you telling me that what seperates poor communities from those who are better off are religion of patriotism? I do think that a sense of family responsiblity is healthy torwards a society, but I think the apperence of that is directly related to other factors.God, Love of Country, and a sense of family responsibilities is what's missing and directly responsible for what ill's the African American Community. I think Martin Luther King would agree with that.
Or better yet, are you going to tell me that white suburbia is more religions and more patriotic than poor neighborhoods? Or which religion is the one that will lead poor communities to prosperity? Any of them?
No, the things you listed are not what is directly responsible for the status of the African American community. There are many factors that are the cause, and number one on the list is a lower standard of education.
An Education is the foundation for which everything you accomplish in today's world is built upon. When you lack the cornerstone for a strong foundation, you lack the means from which to build yourself up.
I'm sure religion can give certain people guidance and provide ample motivation torwards being a better person, but an education is needed none the less.
Number 2 on my list, government neglect. Governments find it really easy to ignore those cons uats in poor neighborhoods. Take a drive down the any west side or east side neighborhood and compare that to something you find off of bitters road. The only place you see government money infused into poor neighborhoods is where you see projects such as the SBC center. The SBC center has caused a LOT of road improvements in that area in the span of a few years.
Churches are already free to play a role in this, privately. There is no need to involve them in any future programs the government uses.I like, are you flexible enough to allow religion to play a role. One nation under God?
I apologize. I shouldn't have done that and I was out of line.Never questioned your passion, but since you asked yes. I'm a living example of someone who's made it out of the ghetto. How about you?
I've made it out of the ghetto. I grew up in the heart of the west side on commerce and 36th street, but with my mom's foresight of getting me out of there, I think I've made myself better than I would have had I stayed there. Oh, there's LOTS of room for improvement, though.
haha..yeah, pick your pants up, put your hat on straight, find a jacket that fits you, and start acting like a man..
I hope you're not a doctor, because doctors who treat symptoms and not diseases generaly don't cure many patients.
It all begins with the proper at ude and it begins at home. Black parents need to push education and black leaders in the community need to give back when they "make it".
Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Barrack Obama and others need to visit and speak to our youth that they have the power to break the chains of racism and poverty through their will and perserverance.
They need to learn to turn obstacles into motivation.
Using them as excuses is lame....a damn shame!
Don't forget what all those movements accomplished. FREEDOM!I am saying that while every group has the ability to make life better for themselves, they rarely (if ever) do so on their own.
Examples:
American Revolution
End Of Slavery
Civil Rights Movment of the 60s
Do innercity kids have the freedom to succeed? there are some things we as a society should do, but on this I think you and I agree more than disagree. I just think if you look at the movements you mentioned, the moral arguments were always rooted in biblical principals.
If your definition of poor is more than money, yes I am. Combine that with a sense of family responsibility and you have a winning combination. There are enough resources available to everyone no matter who you are.No, they are not. Are you telling me that what seperates poor communities from those who are better off are religion of patriotism?
As to the rest of your points, there's not much I disagree with.
Puerto Rican. The conversation was more about minorities and the innercity.
The revolution wasn't fought for freedom. It was about equality. The same thing with The civil rights movement. That was not about freedom, it was about equality.
And I'm glad we agree on most of that.
Dude, you're wrong. The revolution was about freedom from the Brits. We Created our own country.
Civil rights was about freedom to be and do as you please no matter the color of your skin, not to be equal to white people.
On that we disagree.
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