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    X/2 > Y

    X = Bowen's perimeter defense at age 37

    Y = The defense of the second best perimeter defender on the team

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    X/2 < Y

    Bowen's great STILL... but I have a hard time saying that he is TWICE as good as anyone else on the team.

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    I can't really see who is close to him, I'd have to agree..

    Manu is a good help defender and gambler, but not great 1 on 1..Hill is a good defender, so he might break that..

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    X/2 > Y

    X = Bowen's perimeter defense at age 37

    Y = The defense of the second best perimeter defender on the team
    1.2Y <= X <= 1.4Y

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    Before Bowen checked into the game, Carter had scored 19 points in the last nine and a half minutes. In the next 17 and half minutes after Bowen entered, Carter scored four points.


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    Thats easy. True!

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    Bruce still can, be I won`t say that he is twice as good as Gino`s or even Hill`s defens

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    True.

    Please give me my 100 so I can magnet it to the fridge.

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    Bowen is the man.... I'm 100% sure Pop is saving this guy for the PO

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    Before Bowen checked into the game, Carter had scored 19 points in the last nine and a half minutes. In the next 17 and half minutes after Bowen entered, Carter scored four points.

    What's so funny is that I told my 12 yr old daughter to watch Bruce on Carter and count how many times VC takes the ball to the basket. I told her that VC would settle for only outside shots. The answer: 1/2 (She gave VC 1/2 because he made a floater just inside the FT line and Tim blocked another similar shot).

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    So when do you think Bowen will be back into the starting lineup, or at least playing starters minutes?

    I can't help but think that Finley's big minutes are for the sole purpose of keeping Bruce fresh for the post season. I would have thought that it would have been around the time of the RRT...

    As much as was made about Ginobili's ankle against LA, I think Bruce was also gassed in that series and hence couldn't keep up with Kobe. Actually Timmy probably was as well considering his sub par performance against Gasol.

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    That equation isn't fair, because Bruce cancels out Vince.

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    It's patently false. All we remember is the last thing that happened and Bruce had a good defensive night tonight so the temptation is to immediately say he hasn't lost a step or anything. But the fact of the matter is that Bruce has had off nights defensively here and there and has struggled mightily with certain guys.

    Obviously in one-on-one situations Bruce gets beat less often than Manu does, but you're not taking into account Ginobili's defensive playmaking ability. He gets steals, blocks, deflections, and draws charges too. Bruce makes more stops on average, but all that come from them is a Duncan rebound and the team crawling up the floor. When Manu makes a stop, it's often two quick points the other way and a big momentum turning sequence.

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    It's patently false. All we remember is the last thing that happened and Bruce had a good defensive night tonight so the temptation is to immediately say he hasn't lost a step or anything. But the fact of the matter is that Bruce has had off nights defensively here and there and has struggled mightily with certain guys.

    Obviously in one-on-one situations Bruce gets beat less often than Manu does, but you're not taking into account Ginobili's defensive playmaking ability. He gets steals, blocks, deflections, and draws charges too. Bruce makes more stops on average, but all that come from them is a Duncan rebound and the team crawling up the floor. When Manu makes a stop, it's often two quick points the other way and a big momentum turning sequence.
    What???

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    Manu is playing the worst defense of his career right now.. if a player gets any type of momentum against Manu it looks like Manu's feet are in cinder blocks. Ray Allen of all people toasted Manu and tonight Manu turned VCarter into Michael Jordan himself. Roger and Georgie are much better defenders right now than Manu. Manu and Tone can't defend their own shadow right now.

    Jesus Christ I have no idea what some Spurs fans are watch.. Manu is a play-maker on defense ----- for the other team

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    Manu is playing the worst defense of his career right now.. if a player gets any type of momentum against Manu it looks like Manu's feet are in cinder blocks. Ray Allen of all people toasted Manu and tonight Manu turned VCarter into Michael Jordan himself. Roger and Georgie are much better defenders right now than Manu. Manu and Tone can't defend their own shadow right now.

    Jesus Christ I have no idea what some Spurs fans are watch.. Manu is a play-maker on defense ----- for the other team

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    Manu is playing the worst defense of his career right now.. if a player gets any type of momentum against Manu it looks like Manu's feet are in cinder blocks. Ray Allen of all people toasted Manu and tonight Manu turned VCarter into Michael Jordan himself. Roger and Georgie are much better defenders right now than Manu. Manu and Tone can't defend their own shadow right now.

    Jesus Christ I have no idea what some Spurs fans are watch.. Manu is a play-maker on defense ----- for the other team
    I could not disagree with you more. At all.

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    Bowen was great tonight. Playing against Vince woke him up and brought out extra energy and motivation. Perhaps there aren't as many players that motivate him like in years past?

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    Bowen is the man.... I'm 100% sure Pop is saving this guy for the PO
    About this idea; does this mean that as soon as the playoffs hit, Bowen will be getting around 30 minutes a night (or near that)? If so, will Pop gradually start increasing his minutes toward the end of the year, or just throw him in for 30 during the playoffs? Won't he have to improve his conditioning (I know Bruce keeps himself in great shape no matter what, but I always hear actual gameplay is different)? Will Bowen be able to give 30+ for 16 or so games? I hope so, I just don't know.

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    This being said,

    X/2 > Z

    where Z = most players in the league.

    Even I'm surprised Bowen's minutes have been curtailed, but I fully expect him to be around on the floor come playoff time.

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    About this idea; does this mean that as soon as the playoffs hit, Bowen will be getting around 30 minutes a night (or near that)? If so, will Pop gradually start increasing his minutes toward the end of the year, or just throw him in for 30 during the playoffs? Won't he have to improve his conditioning (I know Bruce keeps himself in great shape no matter what, but I always hear actual gameplay is different)? Will Bowen be able to give 30+ for 16 or so games? I hope so, I just don't know.
    Don't know about "30 min" but he can give you some quality defensive time on key situation... against key players, we will need that come PO time.

    I think he will start playing more a couple of weeks before playoffs

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    Manu's D has actually been a pleasant surprise for me..his help D has been outstanding this season..

    I can't wait until the playoffs come around..it's interesting that Pop is saving Bowen's body for the playoffs, but he's playing old man Finley big minutes every game..maybe he's trying to give himself an excuse to bench his precious Michael more in the playoffs, since he obviously wouldn't be able to help himself otherwise..

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    It's been better since they have used him strictly as a cooler off the bench.

    Earlier in the season, when he was still playing 30 minutes a game, I thought there was a noticeable drop-off from the last few years - albeit still better than anybody else on this team and most guys on every other team.

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    I disagree with that..Bowen was playing big minutes in the stretch without Tony and Manu, and those 7 games were the best D we've played as a team all year long..

    I think you're thinking about the first 5 games of the season, where the whole team looked horrible defensively..

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    About this idea; does this mean that as soon as the playoffs hit, Bowen will be getting around 30 minutes a night (or near that)? If so, will Pop gradually start increasing his minutes toward the end of the year, or just throw him in for 30 during the playoffs? Won't he have to improve his conditioning (I know Bruce keeps himself in great shape no matter what, but I always hear actual gameplay is different)? Will Bowen be able to give 30+ for 16 or so games? I hope so, I just don't know.
    Think about it like this. The last couple years, Kobe (usually) likes to use the early portion of the game to get his teammates involved. Against the Spurs at least, he doesn't typically turn on the scoring jets until midway through the 3rd.

    So you bring a fresh Bruce into the game to man-up on him around that time. Bruce only plays about 10-12 minutes, but he's rested and guarding the best perimeter player at the most important time in the game.

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