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    Any bugs, likes or dislikes?

    Thanks.

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    DAMAGE INC. BruceBowenFan's Avatar
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    I really like this, innovative.

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    Defense Wins Championships Texas_Ranger's Avatar
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    cool!

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    Copacetic m33p0's Avatar
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    whoa!!!

    bugs? are trolls considered bugs?

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    Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. Fernando TD21's Avatar
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    I love the NBA add-ons with scores, standings, etc. The banner at the top is also cool.

    *edit: IMHO the background color is too dark. Maybe it would be better if the black was replaced with a gray or dark blue.
    Last edited by Fernando TD21; 02-22-2009 at 05:33 AM.

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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    I guess I'll be the dissenting opinion; I think it's way too busy and wastes tons of screen area with the sidebars, and I think the original, simpler skin is vastly superior. I do like the banner at the top, although the animation should be slowed down a bit and made more smooth. I guess I'm from the school of thought that says if it ain't broke...

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    Veteran velik_m's Avatar
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    Too much white. Keep the silver theme.

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    To be conservative, then, is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss. Familiar relationships and loyalties will be preferred to the allure of more profitable attachments; to acquire and to enlarge will be less important than to keep, to cultivate and to enjoy; the grief of loss will be more acute than the excitement of novelty or promise. It is to be equal to one's own fortune, to live at the level of one's own means, to be content with the want of greater perfection which belongs alike to oneself and one's cir stances. With some people this is itself a choice; in others it is a disposition which appears, frequently or less frequently, in their preferences and aversions, and is ont itself chosen or specifically cultivated.

    Now, all this is represented in a certain at ude towards change and innovation; change denoting alterations we have to suffer and innovation those we design and execute.

    Changes are cir stances to which we have to accomodate ourselves, and the disposition to be conservative is both the emblem of our difficulty in doing so and our resort in the attempts we make to do so.
    Changes are without effect only upon those who notice nothing, who are ignorant of what they possess and apathetic to their cir stances; and they can be welcomed indiscriminately only by those who esteem nothing, whose attachments are fleeting and who are strangers to love and affection. The conservative disposition provokes neither of these conditions: the inclination to enjoy what is present and available is the opposite of ignorance and apathy and it breeds attachment and affection. Consequently, it is averse from change, which appears always, in the first place, as deprivation. A storm which sweeps away a copse and transforms a favourite view, the death of friends, the sleep of friendship, the desuetude of customs of behaviour, the retirement of a favourite clown, involuntary exile, reversals of fortune, the loss of abilities enjoyed and their replacement by others - these are changes, none perhaps without its compensations, which the man of conservative temperament unavoidably regrets. But he has difficulty in reconciling himself to them, not because what he has lost in them was intrinsically better than any alternative might have been or was incapable of improvement, nor because what takes its place is inherently incapable of being enjoyed, but because what he has lost was something he actually enjoyed and had learned how to enjoy and what takes its place is something to which he has acquired no attachment. Consequently, he will find small and slow changes more tolerable than large and sudden; and he will value highly every appearance of continuity. Some changes, indeed, will present no difficulty; but, again, this is not because they are manifest improvements but merely because they are easily assimilated: the changes of the seasons are mediated by their recurrence and the growing up of children by its continuousness. And, in general, he will accomodate himself more readily to changes which do not offend expectations than to the destruction of what seems to have no ground of dissolution within itself.

    Moreover, to be conservative is not merely to be averse from change (which may be an idiosyncrasy); it is also a manner of accomodating ourselves to changes, an activity imposed upon all men. For, change is a threat to iden y, and every change is an emblem of extinction. But a man's iden y (or that of a community) is nothing more than an unbroken rehearsal of contingencies, each at the mercy of cir stance and each significant in proportion to its familiarity. It is not a fortress into which we may retire, and the only means we have of defending it (that is, ourselves) against the hostile forces of change is in the open field of our experience; by throwing our weight upon the foot which for the time being is most firmly placed, by cleaving to whatever familiarities are not immediately threatened and thus assimilating what is new without it becoming unrecognizable to ourselves. The Masai, when they were moved from their old country to the present Masaid reserve in Kenya, took with them the names of their hills and plains and rivers and gave them to the hills and plains and rivers of the new country. And it is by some such subterfuge of conservatism that every man or people compelled to suffer a notable change avoids the shame of extinction.

    Changes, then, have to be suffered; and a man of conservative temperament (that is, one strongly disposed to preserve his iden y) cannot be indifferent to them. In the main, he judges them by the disturbance they entail and, like everyone else, deploys his resources to meet them. The idea of innovation, on the other hand, is improvement. Nevertheless, a man of this temperament will not himself be an ardent innovator. In the first place, he is not inclined to think that nothing is happening unless great changes are afoot and therefore he is not worried by the absence of innovation. Further, he is aware that not all innovation is, in fact, improvement; and he will think that to innovate without improving is either designed or inadvertant folly. Moreover, even when an innovation commends itself as a convincing improvement, he will look twice at its claims before accepting them. From his point of view, because every improvement involves change, the disruption entailed has always to be set against the benefit anticipated. But when he has satisfied himself about this, there will be other considerations to be taken into account. Innovating is always an equivocal enterprise, in which gain and loss (even excluding the loss of familiarity) are so closely interwoven that it is exceedingly difficult to forecast the final up-shot: there is no such thing as an unqualified improvement. For, innovating is an activity which generates not only the "improvement" sought, but a new and comples situation of which this is only one of the components. The total change is always more extensive than the change designed; and the whole of what is entailed can neither be foreseen nor cir scribed. Thus, whenever there is innovation there is the certainty that the change will be greater than was intended, that there will be loss as well as gain and that the loss and the gain will not be equally distributed among the people affected; there is the chance that the benefits derived will be greater than those which were designed; and there is the risk that they will be off-set by changes for the worse.

    From all of this the man of conservative temperament draws some appropriate conclusions. First, innovation entails certain loss and possible gain, therefore, the onus of proof, to show that the proposed change may be expected to be on the whole beneficial, rests with the would-be innovator. Secondly, he believes that the more closely an innovation resembles growth (that is, the more clearly it is intimated in and not merely imposed upon the situation) the less likely it is to result in a preponderance of loss. Thirdly, he thinks that the innovation which is a response to some specific defect, one designed to redress some specific disequilibrium, is more desirable than one which springs from a notion of a generally improved condition of human cir stances, and is far more desirable than one generated by a vision of perfection. Consequently, he prefers small and limited innovations to large and indefinate. Fourthly, he favours a slow rather than a rapid pace, and pauses to observe current consequences and make appropriate adjustments. And lastly, he believes the occasion to be important; and, other things being equal, he considers the most favourable occasion for innovation to be when the projected change is most likely to be limited to what is intended and least likely to be corrupted by undesired and unmanageable consequences.

    The disposition to be conservative is, then, warm and positive in respect of enjoyment, and correspondingly cool and critical in respect of change and innovation: these two inclinations support and elucidate one another. The man of conservative temperament believes that a known good is not lightly to be surrendered for an unknown better. He is not in love with what is dangerous and difficult; he is unadventurous; he has no impulse to sail uncharted seas; for him there is no magic in being lost, bewildered, or shipwrecked. If forced to navigate the unknown, he sees virtue in heaving the lead every inch of the way. What others plausibly identify as timidity, he recognizes in himself as rational prudence; what others interpret as inactivity, he recognizes as a disposition to enjoy rather than to exploit. He is cautious, and he is disposed to indicate assent or dissent, not in absolute, but in graduated terms. He eyes the situation in terms of its propensity to disrupt the familiarity of the features of his world.

    Michael Oakeshott

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    I like the top header logo. And since everyone has been asking for the scoreboard, then this one is a good bet. The only thing I am not sure I like is the NBA News Wire in the upper right.

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    this is pretty cool

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    *edit: IMHO the background color is too dark. Maybe it would be better if the black was replaced with a gray or dark blue.
    I do like the banner at the top, although the animation should be slowed down a bit and made more smooth.


    And is it only me or the NBA side bar covers up some of the smilies?

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    It would be nice if there was an on/off switch to this new skin, but either way its cool. I really like the arcade thing, nice time waster.

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    the garnett injury thread has a rating. we don't need thread ratings, IMO.

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    Five Rings... Kori Ellis's Avatar
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    And is it only me or the NBA side bar covers up some of the smilies?
    Can you post a screen shot of that? The sidebar is no where close to the smilies for me. What browser are you using?

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    Is there any way you guys can put the sidebars on the top of the forum so the messages aren't shoved over to the left?

    It makes me feel lopsided.

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    Watching the collapse benefactor's Avatar
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    It does scoot everything over to the left, but that doesn't really bother me that much....no enough to want to get rid of the scoreboard and the standings.

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    I'm currently using Google Chrome.

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    Can you post a screen shot of that? The sidebar is no where close to the smilies for me. What browser are you using?

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    In Joe we trust. Kriz-Maxima's Avatar
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    I really like the scoreboard and the standing. I don't care for the newswire but it doesn't bother me either.

    Nice banner.

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    Five Rings... Kori Ellis's Avatar
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    Thanks. In my browser, the sidebar is about 2-3 inches away from the smilies. We'll see what we can do. This is just a test right now.

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    Agreed. The news wire makes it less clean and sharp. It probably isn't THAT necessary either right?

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    I don't have limits sonic21's Avatar
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    I like the scoreboard and the standing. nice

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    Keep it!!!!!

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    Very Nice Upgrade!

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