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Where is Wilt Chamberlain ?
I post this in honor of Tim Duncan passing David Robinson in rebounds and David's well deserved entry into the Hall of Fame !
1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Larry Bird
4. Oscar Robertson
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Bill Russell
7. Jerry West
8. Tim Duncan
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Wilt Chamberlain
My starting five: Magic Johnson at point guard, Michael Jordan at shooting guard, Larry Bird at small forward, Tim Duncan at power forward, Kareem Abdul Jabbar at center.
This would be a great defensive team as well as an unstoppable offensive force !
http://www.nba.com/history/players/50greatest.html
I expect perhaps some gripes about Hakeem, but his unusual athleticism and unusual skill set means more to me than simply comparing numbers.
Numbers reflect the time, the system one played in and with, one's coach, the teammates that one had,...
My apologies if some don't care for the placement of this thread.
However, the point of this top 10 is that it places Tim Duncan as one of the top ten basketball players of all time.
Would you place Tim Duncan as one of the top 10 basketball players of all time?
What's your top 10 of all time ?
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Last edited by Mavs<Spurs; 04-07-2009 at 10:57 PM.
Where is Wilt Chamberlain ?
Larry Bird is too high on that list. Cousy shouldn't be on that list.
Shaq should be on that list.
Kobe should be there as well (in place of the Big O).
Okay, so I place him at number 10.Where is Wilt Chamberlain ?
I had to remove Cousy for shooting only 38%.
And I put Wilt in, but at the bottom of the top 10 of all time.
Where would he be among today's big men? He was so much bigger than the other big man of that time that I think probably his numbers and dominance would have been fairly impacted by losing that advantage.
There were other big men that size and that is not all that Wilt brought to the table.
That's my take, but I could be completely wrong. Obviously, neither of us were around to witness that and I have only seen limited footage of him.
Last edited by Mavs<Spurs; 04-07-2009 at 10:58 PM.
MJ
Russell
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Duncan
Shaq
Elgin
Robertson
Finley
Okay, so this is only my take and yours may be equally valid:
Shaq seems to me to have a limited skill set in comparison to the other players.
He doesn't fare well in these comparisons in my book.
Shaq was and is a terrific passer and has fantastic footwork. He was a very good rebounder and did get a lot of blocked shots. And he was dominant in the paint in a way that no one has been in a long, long time.
However, that said, he did not have any game outside of 7 or 8 feet, could not shoot, and was not a great defender. He is one of the worst pick and roll defenders that this game has ever seen.
Kobe has been mvp one time. Kobe is an excellent defender. Kobe is a terrific scorer, but not a great 3 point shooter by percentage.
However, to compare him to the great Oscar Robertson is not fair to Kobe. Kobe fails this by this comparison for almost every basketball aficianado.
Oscar Robertson actually averaged a triple double for an entire season. Kobe has never been close to that. Oscar Robertson was a unique offensive threat because of all of the ways in which he could hurt the opposition, scoring, rebounding and assists.
It seems hard to me to imagine a majority of basketball fans/basketball historians moving Larry Legend very far down from number 3.
A good rebounder, a clutch shooter, an amazing passer and one of the smartest players to ever lace up sneakers, I think that he belongs at number 3.
Again, it's just my take and your take is no less valid than mine; I'm just giving mine and why I made the choices I did.
However, do you put Timmy in the top 10 of all time?
Pop, is that you ?
Finely, what are you doing here ?
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Hakeem
9. Duncan
10. Erving
Bob Cousy doesn't belong anywhere near a top 10 of all-time list bro..Kobe doesn't belong there at all right now..
I had to remove Cousy since he only shot 38% from the field.
Robertson put up in 1961-62, just his second year in the league: 30.8 points, 12.5 rebounds, and 11.4 assists per game-an average of a triple-double for an entire season. Not even Magic Johnson or Larry Bird could match those numbers.
Last edited by Mavs<Spurs; 04-07-2009 at 10:59 PM.
1 MJ
2 TD
3 Olajuwon
4 Shaq
5 Kareem/Magic
That's my list.These are the better players to me because they were the best in those 20 years since I watch basketball
But it's difficult
Like Magic said: "it's better to choose only one because you will choose Mike"
1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Larry Bird
4. Oscar Robertson
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Bill Russell
7. Jerry West
8. Tim Duncan
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Wilt Chamberlain
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...chambwi01.html
Wilt Chamberlain
1965-66 33,5 ppg 24.6 rpg
1964-65 34,7 ppg 22.9 rpg
1963-64 36,9 ppg 22.3 rpg
1962-63 44,8 ppg 24.3 rpg
1961-62 50,4 ppg 25.7 rpg
1960-61 38,4 ppg 27.2 rpg
1959-60 37,6 ppg 27.0 rpg
Come on, Wilt was a beast !!!
Duncan is about 17 on my list.
there's absolutely no way that 16 guys have been better than Timmy..
I can listen to an argument about the guys I named with Robertson, West, Moses Malone..I don't think anybody else is really arguable..
Here is Shaq's defensive bio:
The three-time NBA All-Defensive Second Team honoree (2000, 2001, 2003) ranks 8th all-time in blocks (2,485).
There it is.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shaquille_oneal/bio.html
As I said, a great shot blocker. However, he only made the NBA All Defensive squad three times and each time it was the second team.
Compare that to Kareem, Tim, Hakeem, or Bill Russell.
And they had extra aspects to their games as a result.
Bill Russell wasn't the offensive dominating force that Shaq was, but he was the centerpiece of the most winning championship dynasty that has ever existed because of his defensive prowess, easily the best big man defender of all time.
Hakeem's quickness and ability to steal the ball made him unique and a great defender. He was also a terrific shotblocker, but had other aspects to his defense that made him special.
Kareem was a stellar defender and six time MVP, won six championships, was on the all NBA first team defense six times and on the second team all NBA defense numerous other times.
And Tim's been first team all NBA defense almost every year in his career.
His team has been in the top 3 in defense primarily because of his own defensive ability. He can score on the block and off the glass from 16 feet out or even from 20 at the top of the key.
For all of these reasons, I think that Shaq is not, in my opinion, as good as the other big men that I picked.
61 and 62 are just insane. I don't which is beastlier, the points or the rebounding ?http://www.basketball-reference.com/...chambwi01.html
Wilt Chamberlain
1965-66 33,5 ppg 24.6 rpg
1964-65 34,7 ppg 22.9 rpg
1963-64 36,9 ppg 22.3 rpg
1962-63 44,8 ppg 24.3 rpg
1961-62 50,4 ppg 25.7 rpg
1960-61 38,4 ppg 27.2 rpg
1959-60 37,6 ppg 27.0 rpg
Come on, Wilt was a beast !!!
God bless !
And I did move him into my list, putting him at number 10 and removing Cousy since he only shot 38 %.
I hate guards that shoot less than 44 % at a minimum. That's why I'm not a big Allen Iverson fan. Anyone can score a lot if you take enough shots.
LMAO the OP list is complete ... its bad enough he doesnt include Kobe... I would expect that from a spurs fan but to Include Tim Duncan OVER olojuwan and Chamberlin is just idiotic. clearly he doesnt understand that great basketball happened before the mid 90's and to leave any of these guys off the list for tim duncan is just plain stupid....
Nate Archibald
Paul Arizin
Charles Barkley
Rick Barry
Elgin Baylor
Dave Bing
Bob Cousy
Dave Cowens
Billy Cunningham
Dave DeBusschere
Clyde Drexler
Julius Erving
Patrick Ewing
Walt Frazier
George Gervin
Hal Greer
John Havlicek
Elvin Hayes
Sam Jones
Jerry Lucas
Karl Malone
Moses Malone
Pete Maravich
Kevin McHale
George Mikan
Earl Monroe
Shaquille O'Neal
Robert Parish
Bob Pet
Scottie Pippen
Willis Reed
David Robinson
Dolph Schayes
Bill Sharman
John Stockton
Isiah Thomas
Nate Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Bill Walton
Lenny Wilkens
James Worthy
see my list
You have to include shaq OVER timmy
Let me ask you this. Do you think if instead of drafting Duncan...if you had picked up Barkley, Malone or KG as rookies ,under identical cir stances, that the Spurs would have been more or less successful with rings in the next 10 years?
I'd leave some of those guys off the list too. Cowens? Debussschehehehre?
I think the OP is putting it in regards of how many Championships these players brought to their teams. Rather then all time statistics and accomplishments. Or atleast heavily weighting it.
ROTFLMAO....Thank you for your input, Michael Finley. Now go out and average 39 points per game in the playoffs!!!
With a few of these names, I could understand your position and it might be somewhat rational. However, you are not going to be in the mainstream of basketball thought with many of these names (when you say that you think that they are better than Tim Duncan).
Many of these picks just seem indefensible, positions that one would take only to be argumentative, not because the position is actually believed or held.
And Kobe as a top ten or even ahead of Tim Duncan is not something that most Laker fans would probably agree with and outside of the Laker fans you would fan very little agreement with that position at all.
Kobe Finals MVP never.
Kobe regular season MVP once.
Stockton never won a le. And he played with another HOFer, Karl Malone.
And he didn't impact the game in the way that Duncan did as one can see not only by his championships and Finals MVPs, but also by the defensive strength of the Spurs as measured by field goal percentage and points allowed.
Charles Barkley ? Don't be stupid.
And by the way, when even Jerry Sloan agrees (Karl Malone's coach) that Tim Duncan is the better of the two players, then you're in over your head clearly and not even being intellectually honest.
why do you have a problem with the dave's?I'd leave some of those guys off the list too. Cowens? Debussschehehehre?
correct me if im wrong but i believe cowens is only 1 of 3 players to lead their teams in all 5 categories stats i.e. points, steals, rebounds, assists, and blocks, the others i think is KG and someone else.... prolly barkley. also cowens lead his to team to the les over the bucks when Kareem was there. he also averaged double doubles..
and debusschere lead the knicks to their 2 of they're 3 championships averaging double doubles.... I believe he went to play baseball to during those season as well i think he played for the white sox...
so yes.... better than timmy? I dunno... probabally
Last edited by Lakers999; 04-07-2009 at 11:50 PM.
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