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You neglected the fact that there is a significant difference in the number of minutes played between the two. Wade's figures are based on playing almost 5mpg more than Tony.
I was looking at their stats and was wondering how the two match up to each other. Wade leads Parker in every statistical category except FG% and they have similar systems, both are designed with an emphasis on getting the ball to the big man.
Discuss.
Tony Parker
EFF + 16.97
PPG 16.7
RPG 3.9
APG 6.2
SPG 1.30
BPG .05
FG% .492
FT% .647
3P% .270
MPG 34.2
Dwayne Wade
EFF + 23.86
PPG 23.8
RPG 5.3
APG 7.0
SPG 1.57
BPG 1.19
FG% .485
FT% .771
3P% .292
MPG 38.7
You neglected the fact that there is a significant difference in the number of minutes played between the two. Wade's figures are based on playing almost 5mpg more than Tony.
right, that's why I said that Dwayne leads tp in every statisical category save for fg%, minutes bieng a statistical category
right, and TwoHandJam is saying that taking into account the 5 more minutes per game you can find the reason why Wade leads TP in some of those categories
What is there to discuss?
wade is better than tony, but i like tony more
What about the fact that Wade is probably a better player? Stronger. More atheletic. Bigger.
GO TP
That 'more minutes per game' could also be attributed to Wade's endurance/strength being better than Tony's. We've all seen Tony come up short of energy or something in the fourth quarter of a lot of games.
Hold the flames. I still like TPs game, but I think Wade may be a little better now.
What is there to discuss? Is Tony in the same echelon of players as Dwayne Wade. that was the point of the thread.
and BTW I know what TwoHandJam's point was, does that five minutes make Tony almost as good as, or equal to Wade?
Both are 2 gaurds trapped in a 1's body and both have a limited jumper, so if you put Tony in a lineup with Shaq, what happens?
Is Tony in the same echelon of players? Did you even know who Wade was before Shaq was there?
Anyways, you can't compare TP or Wade IMO because of the fact that TP has to play with Duncan & Manu, and he actually has 'decent' backups.
7 assists per game surprises me as a 2 guard. But then again i bet alot of them are towards Shaq.
I think the more minutes per game thing is really a function of the Spurs being deeper at the point than Miami is.
Another stat you haven't shown is turnover, Wade's average is 4.19 (2nd in the league) and Tony is 2.69.
That being said, even if I am french and a fan of Tony, I can't say that he is as talented as Wade.
Dwyane is a top 10 player in the league and he has shown clutch skill (that shot against New York reminds Reggie, MJ and some other HOF).
Tony has shown that he is a top 5 PG but he has some big holes in his games. He shots poorly from free-throw line and 3 point range.
What is great with Tp is that he began with 19 years. Today, he is younger than Wade but he already has 4 play-offs and a ring behind him.
1) who didn't know who dwayne wade was last year, and 2) I was shocked by the 7 assists per game, but his natural poition is a 2, that's what he played at Marquette, Stan van Gundy made him play PG last year and the experiment worked out ok.
TP is quicker, a better defender, and sees the court better. Wade is stronger, a better finisher, and a better shooter.
I think Wade does more because he has to. Outside of Shaq, there really isn't any player of quality on Miami. Tony showed that he can fill it up when Tim and Manu missed those two games together, going for 55 points.
Minutes played is by far the most underrated stat in the NBA. If Parker could play the minutes Wade does at the same efficiency he would. Per 48 stats are bull and extrapolating a guy's production linearly to 40 minutes and claiming he's in the same class is ridiculous. Parker is easily a top 10 point in this league, but he is in no way as good as Dwayne Wade.
Adjusted for minutes Parker numbers are:
Points - 18.9
Rebounds - 4.4
Assists - 7.0
TO 3.1 vs Wade's 5.3
The point differential for Wade comes largely at the FT line where he takes 9.8 and makes 7.5 FTs per game vs Parker's time adjusted 4.5 making 2.9 per game.
Wade is a special player. If Parker can ever develop a reliable long and mid-range shot he'll be a special player too.
"reliable long and mid-range shot"
After the playoffs fiasco last May, Tony said he would spending the summer practicing shooting. His FTs have gone to hopelessly, and his jumpers are a long way from being acceptable, so he still has a long way to go. He just has to change his shot mechanics to give himself a better chance. He has plenty of years remaining ...
If it weren't for his layups and floater, he'd be serverely limited scorer, aka "to stop the Spurs = to stop Tony (+Tim) = deny the paint". Rest assured that teams playoff-focused on the Spurs like Griz, Heat (already did it in Spurs@MIA), Rockets, and Pistons are capable of executing that defense.
I think Tony has given up on the new shot he developed over the summer anyways.
He said, after last season, that he wasn't satisfied with the way he shot the ball because he didn't have what was considered a 'textbook stroke'. Supposedly he spent a lot of extra hours in the gym trying to develop that, and you could see it in his style at the beginning of this season. Unfortunately it didn't seem to do much for his shooting percentage, and everybody wanted his head on a stake during his slump. It's often frustrating to stick with a new style, as 'fundamentally sound' as it may be, if you don't see any benefit coming from it.
Lately, I've seemed to notice his jump shot has slowly reverted back to his old form; With that elbow slightly ed to the side and a very quick snap of the wrist, not a lot of stroke. It seems like he doesn't really keep his arm under the ball that well. This shot always worked alright for Parker (particularly mid-range), but seems to be inconsistent, as we've all learned both in the past and as of late.
Last edited by Dex; 03-19-2005 at 03:07 PM.
It would be nice to see tony develop some range to his game, a three point shot be damned, if he had grant hill's mid range jumper this team would be damn near unstoppable
^I dont know what happened to his threes. His second year he was pretty good at them.
Wade is better by a big margin right now.
Per minute stats are more effective indicators than pure pts scored or that bull Efficiency number on NBA.com. Don't be fooled. A lot of quality players before they evolved into all stars had EXCELLENT per minute stats. They are a nice indicator for young guys or 2nd or 3rd year players in this league (International players especially). Of course the sample size in terms of mpg for a player has to be at around 15mpg or more to be significant.
Wade is an All star, borderline superstar in the NBA. Tony Parker is not an All Star, and is a borderline all star at best.
Next.
next what
some think wade is only as good as he is because of shaq
I wonder what Parker would do with free reign on an Eastern Conference team?
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