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You mean, like tonight.
At least until Parker can grow into the role. Ginobili is already a proven leader and he's a winner. I think someone else on the board brought this up as well. Duncan doesn't want the role and Tony is too young yet to step up and take charge.
Ginobili's comments in the press recently and his willingness to call out his teammates when appropriate are sorely needed. Too long has Popovich been the only one who calls out this team. Too long have we been without an Elie type on the floor. As boneheaded as Jackson was when he was with us, I've always thought one of the things we might regret most over losing him was his willingness to fire up his teammates. I've read that Pop has looked to Horry recently for leadership but he's missing the obvious choice right under his nose.
I think Ginobili makes the perfect leader whether we're healthy or not. I can imagine how frustrated he must be right now knowing he has a golden opportunity to prove his leadership qualities with Tim out and Tony flailing, only to be limited by his current injuries.
Bold prediction: If he can get healthy during this stretch with Tim out, he will become the defacto leader of our team, even after Tim returns. He doesn't have to be our best player, just our leader.
You mean, like tonight.
I mean exactly like tonight.
I completely agree. We need that compe ive voice in the locker room getting on people and setting the right example on the court. Ginobili fits the bill, and I hope he continues to be vocal.
Well, Duncan seems to do a little bit of a leadership role too,
he was directing in the huddles from what I could see.
Parker Ginobili and Duncan were all chiming in.
I think pop must have given them a ass chewin after the other night deservedly so,
and that might have straightened them out.
ALthough, dont expect much in the way of wins the next three games.
Especially Seattle.
as long as he doesn't tell other players to play intelligent basketball, and dont turn the ball over.setting the right example on the court
*cough cough*I think someone else on the board brought this up as well.
Manu was born a leader, Pop should let him take the reigns.
Manu is already a leader of this team. You want him to be the point? The coach?
What Manu did tonight is what was missing he took upon himself to make plays to find a way to win. It got shaky there when they cut it to 7 then Barry hit a runner and then Manu just took over when he came back in right after Barry's basket late in the game. And more importantly the refs gave him some calls, of which that spectacular dunk wasn't one of them.
Manu handled the ball quite a bit in the 4th and he made some great decisions and he looked good doing it. There is no doubt who the man is on this team, it's Tim, but Manu is more of an inspirational leader a fiery type who will make the sacrifices to win the game. We need for both of them to be healthy come playoff time.
Duncan and Manu should be co-leaders
I've always thought Manu would make a good leader. He plays with 100% effort and will do anything to win. We all saw this summer how he led his own team to a gold medal. The way he's been really talking lately with Tim out shows that he could lead the team. Even this quote after the game showed it
"I found the extra gear in the last quarter because I was so upset and mad at the way we were playing," said Ginobili, who also contributed six assists and eight rebounds. "We wanted to come strong and play with energy and enthusiasm and heart.
"I think we did that, but not for 48 minutes."
Exactly right - he took over at the right time like he has done all season in crunch time
exactly correct, gino should take over the leadership role, and i would like to see barry run the point cose he feels more confident with the ball in his hands then being a jumpshooter of a pass.
Duncan can be THE TEAM but bigmen can never be the true leader of the team because they aren't the guy deciding what to do with the ball...and if you try to make them that guy they get swarmed and turn it over, plus bigmen can never really take a play off to asess the situation because they always have to watch the paint..guards can take plays off...It's always been that way. Just by the nature of the position the PG is usually the leader...the right kind of 2 guard can do it though.
Like Magic said...it was Kareem's team, but he was letting me drive it.
Manu is the leader. I don't think he really wants to do it but he's going to do it because he knows he has to do it. Parker has shown it at times throughout the season and last season but he still loses focus too much...Manu hardly ever loses focus...and he easily assumed the vocal role tonight even though I've never really seen him do that before with the Spurs or even on Team Argentina...Manu'll do it, no problem, and when Tony is ready for it Manu will go back to being Crazy Manu.
Last edited by whottt; 03-26-2005 at 04:45 AM.
I don't see any player in our roster who can be a true leader ala nash or Shaq.
Leadership must be shared between Tony, Manu and Tim. They all have qualities to do the job, but it is the first season Manu is in the stating five, Tony is only 22 years old and Tim will never be a vocal leader.
I know that Manu leaded Argentina last summer, but he doesn't have the same aura in the Spurs that in his national team.
Tony has to grow up in order to be recognize as a leader and I don't think we should hurry him to do so because he has first to improve his game before thinking about this.
I think people that are watching the game at home underestimate how much floor direction and in game talk Duncan does with the spurs before, after and during plays.
I see a lot of "Manu should do it until Parker can take over" crap. What makes any of you think Parker will EVER be that kind of guy?
I think parker can later because he has taken steps already in that direction
however manu is older and manu won the gold medal so guys respect him more
What "steps" has Parker already taken? I must have missed that. Seems like same ol' Parker to me. There one minute. Gone the next.
pop has said he has taked about plays inthe huddle
also he has let bowen have it for not playing d going down the court
in Fact the Argentina Roster was:
PG- Pepe Sanchez
SG- Manu Ginobili
SF- Andres Nocioni
FC- Ruben Wolkowisky
C- Fabricio Oberto
6th Man- Luis Scola
7th - Montecchia
8th Walter Hermann
And this is a very good team
And :
Parker > Pepe Sanchez
Manu=Manu
Bruce Bowen >= Nocioni
Horry=Wolkowisky
Rasho=<Oberto
Bench
Scola>Mohammed
Udrih=Montecchia
Barry>Herrman
Without Tim Duncan we have better roster than Argentina, but Argentina is a Team
Pop must to make a Good Team without Tim Duncan and he have the players to do it
So letīs Go, we lost 3 games, but in the road
We must to win at home
If we can win to Houston and Seattle, we can to finish the season in great shape and #1 or #2 and with Timmy healthy can win the championship
I see a lot of Napoleon in Tony.
He's shown signs of leadership...but it's just not his time yet...he might not ever be but I have seen signs he could do it.
And Tim might be directing things in the huddle and on the court, but its more of a supportive role. I dont ever see or hear Tim chastising players or calling into question their desire ala Jordan, Elie, and now Manu.
After a loss, Tim will usually take the majority of the blame and say "we as a team need to work harder, focus, blah blah blah."
The difference is that after the three game losing streak Ginobili basically said, "we as a team need to grow a pair, get that fire, and compete, because we are being pathetic."
Duncan is a supportive leader, the good cop if you will. But this team has shown it needs some "edge" to fulfill its potential. AJ/Elie in '99 and Jax/Willis in '03 pushed the team from within and stirred the pot up. Ginobili fulfills the role of a Popovich on the court, someone who doesnt sympathize or look the other way when someone blows it. He's gonna call it like he sees it.
So while Tim is the natural leader through his play, his big heart and quiet demeanor get in the way of also fulfilling the role of antagonist and agitator that "spur" championship teams to overcome adversity. I think Manu is slowly growing into that role through necessity, until Tony can take over (if ever).
Alll of you guys are crazy. Tony leads this team on the floor constantly. He hasn't been healthy. Manu hasn't been healthy. And Tim is not even frickin' playing.
We have such short memories.
the only thing tony does on the floor consistently is disappear. He has good first and third quarters, and then evaporates. Until he can sustain intensity and leadership throughout a game, I dont consider him "THE" leader of the team as he should one day grow into.
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