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LMAO whatever helps Kobe sleep at night .... everyone else knows the truth though. without Shaq the Lakers wouldn't have won any of them .... but without Kobe, one can argue that they would have won at least 1 or 2 if not all 3.
Kobe Bryant, in an interview with Magic Johnson, said
"The truth is, he(Shaq) never would have won without me. And we would have never won without anybody else, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher"
Bryant also said, when talking about the greatest players of all time -
"It's impossible to say that one player is the best, you can't do it. Everybody brings different things, everybody is great in their own way"
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4226198
Last edited by MiamiHeat; 06-04-2009 at 02:49 AM.
LMAO whatever helps Kobe sleep at night .... everyone else knows the truth though. without Shaq the Lakers wouldn't have won any of them .... but without Kobe, one can argue that they would have won at least 1 or 2 if not all 3.
everybody needs somebody sometimes.
gotta disagree there bud...Shaq was undoubtedly numero uno in those days, but we NEEDED Kobe to get by Sacramento and San Antonio. Has there been a bigger Spur killer in NBA history than Kobe? Kobe also came up huge in the pivotal Game 4 of the NBA Finals in Indiana when Shaq fouled out. Kobe dazzled in OT and made the finals a foregone conclusion at that point. Like I said before, Shaq was #1, but we don't get those les without Kobe.
son Shaq was still very young and only played 4 years in Orlando ... even then he at least got them to the finals at a very young age.
the fact is that Shaq pretty much single handedly won those 3 finals and his numbers prove it. of course Kobe helped, but he was nothing more than just a "sidekick" who rode Shaq's coattails to success. AT THE TIME, Kobe was basically "Scottie Pippen" to Shaq. Kobe has a LOT to prove in the rest of his career. He is already 0 for 1 in the finals without Shaq there to hold his hand every step of the way. if Kobe goes 0 for 2, then I think its safe to say that even most Kobe homers will start to admit the truth.
Um, Shaw did win 1 without Kobe with the Heat and Kobe has yet to win 1 without Shaq. All in all, these two deserve each other.
gotta disagree son.
Kobe is right. There is no way Shaq wins those les without Kobe. They simply didnt have enough. Portland would've beaten them, San Antonio would've beat them, Sacramento would've beat them.
Sabonis, Divac, Dunca, Robinson would've neutralized Shaq enough and LA would have no other go to guy. IMO Kobe was even better back then, than he is now
this whole subject is tired and re ed...bottom line is NO ONE can win 'on their own'. even wilt chamberlain, by far the most dominant beast ever to step on the court(relative to each's eras) only won 2 les.
shaq and kobe needed each other.
shaq won one 'without kobe' but had Wade so theres no real difference, shaq needed Wade, wade needed shaq, jordan needed pippen, robinson needed duncan, etc etc.
lebron, the numbers baest that he is still wont win one until he has a sidekick.
no one wins one without another key player.
Question: if you switched Kobe with Michael Finley or Vince Carter, would the Lake Show have still won those les?
I thought Wilt's only le came with LA in 71-72? you may be right tho...
good point...people think that LA could've thrown any decent wingman out there and still won those 3 rings. WRONG. Kobe's clutchness and cold-bloodedness carried the Lakers through the 4th quarters in the playoffs.
Link or Kobe never said it.
I call your bull again. That's doesn't seem like something Kobe would say about shaq. He may think it, but I doubt he'd say it like that.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4226198
Kobe doesn't think MJ is the GOAT anymore. LOL! Last year before the Finals, he said MJ was the goat. Now he thinks they are all equally good, and he's right there with them all.
The guy is so easy to see through, what a phony. I hope he falls flat on his face again
GO MAGIC
Wow I think you guys totally misinterpeted what Kobe said in the given context.
I think Kobe meant that their championships in the Kobe/Shaq era were a team effort, that's why he also mentioned Horry and Fisher. He basically meant that Shaq needed everyone of his teammates to play at a championship level and so did Kobe, without any of them or without the way they preformed Shaq OR Kobe wouldn't have those 3 championships.
Also MJ is the GOAT.
I was playing one-on-one at the playground with my 14 year old cousin and after I beat the snot out of him, he said I never would have won without Kobe. I said, "good game." Then he refused to shake my hand and pretended he dislocated his shoulder. I told him I was the best playground basketball player ever. He started crying and asked me if I could get a wheel chair then started screaming that there's no way to determine the best playground basketball player ever and that everyone is great in their own way. Then he left without speaking with reporters.
Cue Rappin Shaq because y'know that fans want to hear the rebuttal from the other side.
"Kobe, tell me how my @$$ tastes!"
Those Orlando teams had no bench whatsoever. Are you saying a prime healthy Hardaway in Kobes place wouldn't have won 3 les with those Laker teams? .
Kobe said
"The truth is, he(Shaq) never would have won without me. And we would have never won without anybody else, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher"
I call bull .
According to Kobe Bryant, Shaq would have won his first ring at age 34 with the Miami Heat in 2006, and then retire with only 1 ring, and no Finals Mvp's.
Shaq was too great for that. If not Kobe, then someone else would have built a team around Shaq.
anyone else laughing at Kobe's attempt to blur the lines of the GOAT talk?
Just last year in June, Kobe was talking about MJ as the GOAT.
Now he's saying pretty much 'we're all equal'
Ok...my bad. My apologies.
Replace Kobe from 00-03 with 04-07 Manu and they still win 3 les
He also said: And we would have never won without anybody else, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher"
Exactly. In some series Kobe wouldn't have made as much of a difference, but if you took Kobe out against the Spurs then the Lakers probably lose at least two of those series.
Now the Spurs did a great job on Shaq, but in order to contain Shaq we kinda had to let Kobe roam around a bit and that is why he was able to have some monster games against us. So what I am saying is that Kobe was good against the Spurs, but party due to us having to focus most of our defensive attention on Shaq. Shaq was clearly the better player back then if you ask me because if you didn't pay great attention to him defensively he would dominate.
I think Shaq could have won with any all-star swingman back then. Look at how Duncan won les back in his prime with no superstars. Yeah we had Manu,Tony who would eventually would be all-star players but even back in '03 they weren't at that level. It was mainly due to Duncan's dominance that the spurs didn't need much more then solid performances out of those 2 to win it all. Shaq was pretty much equally as dominant as Duncan was during his prime. You could have paired him up with Tony and Manu or guys like Ray Allen, Tmac, Carter, Finley and I'm convinced he would have atleast won once or even more.
I dislike the what if you swap player A with player B, do they still win?!
It's hard to quantify.
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