Do what needs to be done, FO.
Don't screw the pooch over a dead dog.
Duncan's got 2 great years left, let us not waste them.
Regardless to what Pop thinks, young players are not evil.
RC, do what must be done to get better.
He can retire here later.
I concur. The seasons are long and Manu isn't 27 anymore
I would love the 5th pick and Nick Young. After that, if there is someone the Spurs want to target mid first round, I'd even flip the 5th pick for another player and a mid round pick.
Another thought would be to trade Manu and Fab for number 5 and Butler.
I like Nick young a lot, one of the best we could have here
but the question is, could the spurs be better next year with young and 5 than with manu ?
The answer is no, manu is a beast, and in 2010 we will add a big free agent
I'd love to have young here, but this trade do not make us better in the short term, and in long term, well, we still have hopes for a big fish
We can make all papers players comparisons we want, at the end of the day, manu is the one who will be on the winners side
ok it only makes sense to get the 5th if we get butler. The window for another le with duncan is closing therefore we need a star if we want it. the 5th pick wont be a star for a few years later however with butler and the 5th, the team would be amazing
Well, butler has a lot less charisma than manu, but if the wizards makes us such a offer, guess we'd have to take it
I still have hopes for RC workin some magic to get us a good player, without tradin' the big 3
Time will tell. Odds are spurs stay put though, they're quite a conservative bunch...
if we get butler,young and the 5th pick for manu and oberto would be nice
make mason expandable to trade
Please, everyone know it would be nice, but can we keep the thread in the realistic realms ?
otherwise, it rubs the trades speculations off all the pleasure
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Nick Young and the #5 pick for Manu makes virtually no sense to me. Teams win les because they have exceptional players who get them over that hump. Manu is the sort of exceptional player who makes that kind of a difference. Nick Young is not. And the history of the #5 pick doesn't suggest strongly to me that a guy who'd go 5th in this weak draft is going to bring any assurance of being a great player.
If you've been convinced to give up on winning les and would just like to see the Spurs make the playoffs for a bunch of years after Duncan retires without any real chance of winning les (sort of like the Suns have done for years) then by all means, support a trade of Manu. If you're hoping to see the Spurs maintain a hope of winning another le during the Duncan years, then trading Manu for anything other than a star in return makes absolutely no sense.
Still, It's not impossible other teams make us what pop calls a "stupid offer" for Manu
That's why, as manu and pop themselves says, it's not impossible for manu to be traded, but won't be for young
Can we be reasonable for a minute. Why would the WIzards trade their best or second best player, who does not get injured often, and the 5th pick, and Nick Young for Manu and Fab? This is unrealistic. Why not target Kobe and Gasol for Manu and our 3 second round picks?
If we stay put, we are dead. Not acting is what got us in the shape we were in this past season. It would be stupid to go into the season with the same team as last year.
That Mavs series was awfully eye-opening. I knew the time to start making changes was pretty close but I had no idea it was right on the doorstep.
You see, the time to do something like what we're talking about now was the summer of 2008 after the Lakers beat our butts but we stayed with it. This past season we got man-handled by one of the lesser teams in the playoffs. We only won one game, which means that in all practical terms of the word, we didn't even compete.
We need to trade Manu for Nick Young and #5. If for some reason they will give us Caron Butler instead of Nick Young then we do that, but in either case we would receive a good basketball player that wouldn't be totally dependent upon Tony Parker to make a shot for them and the number five we could use to draft a young big guy. , anybody we draft with number five is going to be better than Mahinimi and will indubitably produce more than anything pretending Tiago Splitter is going to come over here ever will.
Just make the trade. In the worst case scenario we make the playoffs and get ousted by some crappy team like Dallas, which is the best case if we stand pat.
Are you actually working under the assumption that such a deal is on the table and is only awaiting approval from the Spurs?
:wgaf: ...what you want
tim duncan fan needs to be rug out into the middle of I 37.
The alternative is not between stay'in pat and trading Manu
Last year, we nearly had camby, we have some trade assets, our big three i still put a lot of faith in it, manu will be well rested for the last years of duncan contract
Just hope for the usual, overachieving role players, diamond in the rough, and good surprises in the free agent signings
Team system and big three are the things we must keep on buildin' on
Are you saying that Ginobili is not a good basketball player or that he is totally dependent upon Tony Parker to make a shot for him?
With a healthy Manu, we probably beat LA in 2008. You forget that he could hardly walk, he stayed at the top of the key and shot three pointers.
This year we did not have that option for us. That is why we lost. With a healthy Manu we destroy Dallas and we probably beat Denver as well. I don't know that we can beat LA as we are right now.
However, we are closer than farther. We don't need an overhaul, we need 2-3 additions of solid role players.
Manu was a beast. And he was one of the funnest, most exciting, gutsiest compe ors I've seen.
He's done, though. 32 year old guards with a lot of miles on the tires AND he's got 2 bad wheels? The Spurs would be unbelievably, incredibly lucky to get post-ankle surgery Grant Hill type numbers out of Manu in the next couple of years.
Sure, he'll put up a 28 point/3 steals/8 assist game against Indianapolis on a random December night in the next year or two, but we need 15-20 points a game from him in May and June, and that's not going to happen anymore. The 2003-2007 Manu Ginobili is one of my all-time favorite players to watch, but that guy's gone. I root for the Spurs as a team, I don't root for individuals. If trading Manu makes the team better, I'm for that.
Here's something I'll throw out there....you take the number of all-star type seasons Manu has from now until the end of his career. I'll take the number of seasons he plays less than 60 games. I'm pretty sure I'm coming out on top of that one, and it won't even be close.
I'm not sure that's entirely true, but the fact that the Spurs went out so easily with Manu injured in 2008 and couldn't get anything done in 2009 against the Mavs sans Manu is certainly what fuels the Chicken Little side of this debate. Had a healthy Manu aided the Spurs in taking the Lakers to 6 or 7 in 2008, I wonder if the belief that the Spurs' salvation lies in dealing Manu would be as great.
If he's done what do you expect to get for him?
Me too, but it's precisely the reason why most manu trades proposals should be rebuffed
You have a good point about 32 year old guard with a lot of miles. Yet, I'm quite sure Manu still has at least two solid years in him. Years he should be able to play at a level very few can.
I would do it but I doubt the Wiz would.
FWDT needs to restart his "members to be traded to other teams" list.
s yeah let's make some trades!!!111
Faulty logic. LA wasn't healthy either.
This is I agree with. Spurs never had a chance to compete with garbage like Vaughn, Udoka, Oberto, Bonner, and Finley on our bench. The Spurs FO shot themeselves in the foot the past two years and the team's suffering as a result.However, we are closer than farther. We don't need an overhaul, we need 2-3 additions of solid role players.
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