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because we are a nation of hypocrits. Actually, I can answer your question, but I dare not utter it aloud.
I want to know why we are allowing an actual genocide in Darfur with little or no action. The entire world community is guilty of equivocation on this issue, and i think Bush, considering his justification for iraq, ought to intervene. Here is an actuall isntance where his intervention/ war mongering would be a positive, 5 million people are in concentration camps and 90,000 are going to die this summer alone from starvation.
Plus there is oil in sudan, just like Iraq, and there is a large group of persecuted christians there. i mean that gets the neocons and the religious right on board, i swear to god i don't undertsand republicans, Collin Powell declared this a genocide and we havent even created sanctions? WTF?
because we are a nation of hypocrits. Actually, I can answer your question, but I dare not utter it aloud.
because it's black people that are dying, there's your answer, who gives a damn about black africans right?
Americans are pathetic.
that's true too. but there is another piece to the puzzle.
There's nobody left to send. The military is stretched as thin as it will go.
there are enought to send into Iran though right?
BTW incase you didn't know there are 1,800 american troops forward deployed in Djibojti that are only a hop skip and a wink away from Sudan, we could always send them.
Tell them a white woman is in trouble. It's amazing the time and money spent and ing and gnashing of teeth over one brain dead woman while no one even acknowleges the rape and slaughter of tens of thousands.
That's a pathetic statement.
Since you insist upon categorizing people by their nationality, name one nation Americans ought to emulate.
Testify or obfuscate lawyer - the choice is your's.
America certainly deserves blame for the Sudan situation, but then again so do all the chicken s up at the UN.
You want to know why the US, France, Germany, Kofi, etc. don't want to help? Because it's a desert nation with nothing for any of them to gain (their view, not mine).
It's really pathetic though. The UN in all their righteousness have been a bunch of pussies about even bringing it up, and our Congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle have also been asleep at the wheel.
Right ing on AHF.
~Manny
What pisses me off the most is that no one in power anywhere is willing to call it a genocide, because that would require specific action everyone agreed to take. Those being raped and slaughtered are being denied help over one ing word.
Has Mel Gibson written about this?
Good luck.
The truth is the rest of the world will continue to look the other way in hopes that they kill each other off.
People would rather put their life on the line to save an endangered salamander than to help save black Africans.
are you the idiot from spursreport?
I dont think so, knownalien (as far as I have seen) doesnt hesitate to put forth conspiracy ideas. Also, why wouldnt he just name himself Knownalien???
I am Drachen on both sites, no need to hide.
The Knownalien name was already taken here by someone mocking knownalien from SpursReport. We are rendering that.why wouldnt he just name himself Knownalien???
Alright my bad.
I didn't say he was the knownalien from SR.I just said that's the reason that he couldn't use that name. Maybe he is, or maybe he isn't.
Or maybe this is just a conspiracy.
i was just curious because the ka from sr banned me several times bc he couldn't take the heat.
that is what i like about this site. the mods don't go crazy with their power...
Obfuscate? You want me to make it unclear? Britian. Tony Blair and the British people have long called the atrocities in Sudan a genocide, and are going to be active participants in the UN peacekeeping operation, if it ever happens, it isn't right now and here's why: (after the next quote b/c this is more a response to the _allas traitor than you're stupid question guru)
The UN, specifically France and Britian, have been calling for an ICC (oh i forgot, you have to educate these hillbillies) that's the International Criminal Court, in the Hauge, to declare the atrocities in Darfur a genocide, currently the UN has recognized that the regime in Sudan is guilty of commiting "acts of genocidal intent" which demands an ICC investigation, once that has been determined, a Chapter VII peacekeeping operation is put in place, soverignty in Sudan dissolves, and the UN forcibly ends the situation in Darfur.
Guess who is precluding the neccesary ICC investigation? come on, guess.....The Bush administartion? Yes AHF right on the money, it is the Bush administartion, they are so worried about giving the ICC legitimacy (they are worried it will go after Kissinger for all of those atrocitied in Cambodia and Laos (landminds 100,000 of them)) that they have insisited on vetoing any proposal to use the ICC. Thousands of christians starving..... Henry Kissinger...... Hmmmm... I think i will protect Henry Kissinger.
But wait it gets better, France, who just re-submitted a proposal to launch an ICC investigation said that nations like the US (Clinton signed the treaty that created the ICC, Bush took us out of it) that are not memebers of the court, will not be prosecuted. What did the administartion say..... come on AHF I bet you can guess... Yes they did say i don't give a flying we're gonna veto it anyway.
So you see, Bush really doesn't beilive in all this spread democracy, value of life, rightwing religious BULL , no those are vote getters.
So while we lazy Americans sit here and point the finger at the rest of the world, 90,000 ing people are starving, 10,000 die every month, the children born of the raped women that the Janjaweed brutilized before their families, the bombs falling of Darfurian villages, the next ing holocaust.... well it keeps on going, and going, and going...... when are we going to do anything about it?
I remember all the NeoCons who hated clinton because he sent us to Kosovo and Bosnia to stop the genocide there, then they all rejoice at the toppling of Suddam Hussein, but stand and watch idle while 5 million people are dieing in a concentartion camp?
the U.S. doesn't want to be part of the ICC to protect our troops... why do you want some other country to be able to punish our troops?
This article is from last year but it gives some insight to the Arab "ethnic cleansing" in Sudan.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun29.html
'We Want to Make a Light Baby'
Arab Militiamen in Sudan Said to Use Rape as Weapon of Ethnic Cleansing
By Emily Wax
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, June 30, 2004; Page A01
GENEINA, Sudan, June 29 -- At first light on Sunday, three young women walked into a scrubby field just outside their refugee camp in West Darfur. They had gone out to collect straw for their family's donkeys. They recalled thinking that the Arab militiamen who were attacking African tribes at night would still be asleep. But six men grabbed them, yelling Arabic slurs such as "zurga" and "abid," meaning "black" and "slave." Then the men raped them, beat them and left them on the ground, they said.
"They grabbed my donkey and my straw and said, 'Black girl, you are too dark. You are like a dog. We want to make a light baby,' " said Sawela Suliman, 22, showing slashes from where a whip had struck her thighs as her father held up a police and health report with details of the attack. "They said, 'You get out of this area and leave the child when it's made.' "
A mother in a village in Darfur warns her daughter not to leave the schoolhouse where other women are hiding from the militiamen. (Emily Wax - The Washington Post)
Suliman's father, a tall, proud man dressed in a flowing white robe, cried as she described the rape. It was not an isolated incident, according to human rights officials and aid workers in this region of western Sudan, where 1.2 million Africans have been driven from their lands by government-backed Arab militias, tribal fighters known as Janjaweed.
Interviews with two dozen women at camps, schools and health centers in two provincial capitals in Darfur yielded consistent reports that the Janjaweed were carrying out waves of attacks targeting African women. The victims and others said the rapes seemed to be a systematic campaign to humiliate the women, their husbands and fathers, and to weaken tribal ethnic lines. In Sudan, as in many Arab cultures, a child's ethnicity is attached to the ethnicity of the father.
"The pattern is so clear because they are doing it in such a massive way and always saying the same thing," said an international aid worker who is involved in health care. She and other international aid officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they feared reprisals or delays of permits that might hamper their operations.
She showed a list of victims from Rokero, a town outside of Jebel Marra in central Darfur where 400 women said they were raped by the Janjaweed. "It's systematic," the aid worker said. "Everyone knows how the father carries the lineage in the culture. They want more Arab babies to take the land. The scary thing is that I don't think we realize the extent of how widespread this is yet."
Another international aid worker, a high-ranking official, said: "These rapes are built on tribal tensions and orchestrated to create a dynamic where the African tribal groups are destroyed. It's hard to believe that they tell them they want to make Arab babies, but it's true. It's systematic, and these cases are what made me believe that it is part of ethnic cleansing and that they are doing it in a massive way."
Secretary of State Colin L. Powell flew to the capital, Khartoum, on Tuesday to pressure the government to take steps to ease the humanitarian crisis in Darfur. U.S. officials said Powell may threaten to seek action by the United Nations if the Sudanese government blocks aid and continues supporting the Janjaweed. U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan is due to arrive on Khartoum this week.
The crisis in Darfur is a result of long-simmering ethnic tensions between nomadic cattle and camel herders, who view themselves as Arabs, and the more sedentary farmers, who see their ancestry as African. In February 2003, activists from three of Darfur's African tribes started a rebellion against the government, which is dominated by an Arab elite.
Riding on horseback and camel, the Janjaweed, many of them teenagers or young adults, burned villages, stole and destroyed grain supplies and animals and raped women, according to refugees and U.N. and human rights investigators. The government used helicopter gunships and aging Russian planes to bomb the area, the U.N. and human rights representatives said. The U.S. government has said it is investigating the killings of an estimated 30,000 people in Darfur and the displacement of the more than 1 million people from their tribal lands to determine whether the violence should be classified as genocide.
The New York-based organization Human Rights Watch said in a June 22 report that it investigated "the use of rape by both Janjaweed and Sudanese soldiers against women from the three African ethnic groups targeted in the 'ethnic cleansing' campaign in Darfur." It added, "The rapes are often accompanied by dehumanizing epithets, stressing the ethnic nature of the joint government-Janjaweed campaign. The rapists use the terms 'slaves' and 'black slaves' to refer to the women, who are mostly from the Fur, Masalit and Zaghawa ethnic groups."
Despite a stigma among tribal groups in Sudan against talking about rape, Darfur elders have been allowing and even encouraging their daughters to speak out because of the frequency of the attacks. The women consented to be named in this article.
In El Fasher, the capital of North Darfur, about 200 miles east of Geneina, Aisha Arzak Mohammad Adam, 22, described a rape by militiamen. "They said, 'Dog, you have sex with me,' " she said. Adam, who was receiving medical treatment at the Abu Shouk camp, said through a female interpreter that she was raped 10 days ago and has been suffering from stomach cramps and bleeding. "They said, 'The government gave me permission to rape you. This is not your land anymore, abid, go.' "
Nearby, Ramadan Adam Ali, 18, a frail woman, was being examined at the health clinic. She was pregnant from a rape she said took place four months ago. She is a member of the Fur tribe and has African features.
i forgot, security council resolution 15334 (dont qoute me on the number because i'm not 100% positive on that) passed by France and Germany, created the UN PKO in sudan, which has been 6 months away for three years now, because there is only a chapter VI mandate for sudan, the UN has no ability to act rapidly and the Sudanese government keeps stalling for time, twice saying they didn't like the make-up (ethnicity) of the UN pkers army.
Did you read my whole speal on nations that aren't members not being prosecuted?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?...ectID=10117331
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...an_darfur_dc_2
all of those cites are brand spanking new, read them if you like they have all of the facts that i have been talking about in this thread
There is no need for the ICC... that is what the hague already is for. The UN doesn't do when they go in to countries except observe. They watched genocides in Bosnia and Kosovo before a US/Britain led NATO took Slobodan out...
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