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So did Malik
Not trashing the guy, i still think he was a good pickup, but damn, we gotta put glue on his hands or something cause too many slip through his fingers
So did Malik
At least Malik finished inside on occasion and could hit a jumpshot.
I'm really trying to give Mohommad the benefit of the doubt, and I have since the trade went through, but he really needs to step it up and start showing us something on the court.
I don't like feeling like this about any Spur, But I've noticed when he is put in the Game it really pisses me off.. He plays like crap most of the time. How long does it take to get settled in? I think we've been pretty patient he needs to start showing he can play.
Patient? Dude's been here for one month. Other Spur fan favorites have taken over a year to get the system down (with the benefit of pre-season training camp). Now Nazr's supposed to figure out all new teammates, coaches, and gameplans in 4 weeks?
What's everybody's excuse for Malik? He was here what, eight years, and played as bad this year as you are ragging on Nazr for.
I understand.. It's just irritating. I don't hate the guy or anything.. I guess as a Spurs fan we're just spoiled, and have very high expectations. I hope he starts doing well.
Malik would be making a killer difference on this team right now.
I don't think Nazr is going to make a positive impact this year at all. He just keeps regressing every damn game. I really honestly believe he's going to be left off the playoff roster.
I'll give him a full year to drop the Charles Smith Jr. label, but so far he's playing the part incredibly well.
Malik would be making a killer difference on this team right now.X1 billion. I had to stop right there. ing St. Malik. Other than last night, MOST of the Spurs problems, minus Tim, have been on the defensive end, something a scrappy 6'5" forward is going to do nothing to effect. I, for one, don't forget guards just shooting right in his face, and over the top.
Don't worry. The Spurs will win tonight after pop rips in to them.
This coming from the guy who said Nazr was going to average 10 and 10 the rest of the season.
The only 10 and 10 Nazr is going to average is ten ineffective minutes and ten Spurs fans wondering why this guy sucks when he put up numbers in New York.
Has Nazr played up to your expectations?
Don't lie.
You know this is BS.
Look at the numbers St. Malik put up as a starter. Now look at what Baby Hakeem is doing as a Spur. You can't tell me St. Malik wouldn't help.
But I guess if you bash a Spur on his way out, you have to defend the player who arrives. Even if he plays like a handicapped version of Samaki Walker.
I like Malik, but just don't see his game the way the rest of you do, i.e. "Rose" colored glasses. Oh, and if you want a valid comparison, look at Horry's numbers, not Nazr's. He's the replacement starter, and erstwhile replacement "Malik".
Yeah but the Spurs could have been starting Rose and then have Horry coming off the bench for a solid three bigman rotation.
Now the Spurs are forced to start Horry and have either Marks, Massenburg or Samaki Walkammed come off the bench.
Can you honestly say that Nazr has lived up to expectations? Is this what you expected from him?
1. NO
2. God I hope not
I'll be the first to admit Nazr isn't playing at the level I thought he would. Why that is, I don't know.
I think ex is right that Nazr might not do anything for us this year, but with a summer of training under his belt will contribute significantly IMO next year.
How is it BS? Malik didn't play up to ANYONE's expectations after signing his big contract. This year he was particuarly bad, he had more DNP-CDs than he had games played.Quote:
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What's everybody's excuse for Malik? He was here what, eight years, and played as bad this year as you are ragging on Nazr for.
You know this is BS.
Malik's ONLY compe ion for playing time was 95 year old Tony Massenberg and 63 year old Robert Horry, and yet he still couldn't get off the pine.
BS? I'll tell you what's BS - thinking Malik was ever going to contribute another ing thing besides community service awards to this franchise.
BTW timvp, you crack on me for throwing out excuses for Nazr, when you yourself led the brigade on this site that offered up countless excuses for Malik Black Hole Rose over the last two years.
I mean if Pop's falling out with Rose and Peter Holt's wallet tightening were valid concerns for why Rose never got to play (and was ultimately traded), then shouldn't Nazr defenders be able to play the 4 weeks in the system card? It's only fair.
Too many people here are too enamored with Rose bugging Shaq a little 6 years ago with David, Tim, and Will Perdue having his back to realize the last two years big men just jumped and reached over his head for rebounds, bowled him over for easy buckets, etc.
And of course everyone also seems to forget that everytime he guarded someone taller than him the last two years they just simply shot over his outreached hands.
The other highlights of the last two seasons that all the Rose colored glasses folks seem to gloss over in remembrance of their fallen hero was Rose being the black hole that never passed on offense in favor of bad shot after bad shot, and his incessant "why me" whining to the refs when opponents overcame his hustle and he was forced to foul.
But hey, like I said, for a two week period 6 years ago and another three years ago with Dave and Tim having his back, he bothered Shaq for a few days, and that should obviously trump his ty play the last two seasons.
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I'm not any more sold on Nazr than I was on Malik.
Because he put up good stats on bad teams and now that he's on a good team, he's overmatched.
Nah ... too easy, right?
How is it BS? Malik didn't play up to ANYONE's expectations after signing his big contract. This year he was particuarly bad, he had more DNP-CDs than he had games played.
WTF did you come up with that stat? See, that's the type of Rose hate that makes you lose all credibility when talking in a topic like this.
Same compe ion that has Nazr Mohammed riding the pine. But Malik was averaging more minutes than any bigman on the bench not named Rasho or Tim.Malik's ONLY compe ion for playing time was 95 year old Tony Massenberg and 63 year old Robert Horry, and yet he still couldn't get off the pine.
Oops.
Look at his stats. Don't go by memory.BS? I'll tell you what's BS - thinking Malik was ever going to contribute another ing thing besides community service awards to this franchise.
What excuses? That he didn't play? All I ever said is I think Pop should play Rose. I'd like to know what "excuses" I made.BTW timvp, you crack on me for throwing out excuses for Nazr, when you yourself led the brigade on this site that offered up countless excuses for Malik Black Hole Rose over the last two years.
Please provide an answer.
Thanks.
Rose played. Try again.I mean if Pop's falling out with Rose and Peter Holt's wallet tightening were valid concerns for why Rose never got to play (and was ultimately traded), then shouldn't Nazr defenders be able to play the 4 weeks in the system card? It's only fair.
Nazr put up the best stats of career in the two half seasons he played after being traded. Oops.
Same things happen to Nazr. How many times IN A ROW did Stephon Marbury go up and over him in that Knick loss? The Knicks ran the same play like 10 possessions in a row knowing that Nazr wasn't going to do anything to stop it.Too many people here are too enamored with Rose bugging Shaq a little 6 years ago with David, Tim, and Will Perdue having his back to realize the last two years big men just jumped and reached over his head for rebounds, bowled him over for easy buckets, etc.
You expected Rose to be David Robinson or Tim Duncan. He wasn't.
Now you will see Nazr isn't, either.
Same with Nazr.And of course everyone also seems to forget that everytime he guarded someone taller than him the last two years they just simply shot over his outreached hands.
Nazr whines just as much and has three technical fouls this season. Rose has averaged more assists in a season than Nazr ever has.The other highlights of the last two seasons that all the Rose colored glasses folks seem to gloss over in remembrance of their fallen hero was Rose being the black hole that never passed on offense in favor of bad shot after bad shot, and his incessant "why me" whining to the refs when opponents overcame his hustle and he was forced to foul.
Next.
Yeah, Rose never did anything. Nice history recap.But hey, like I said, for a two week period 6 years ago and another three years ago with Dave and Tim having his back, he bothered Shaq for a few days, and that should obviously trump his ty play the last two seasons.
Check the stats and go back and look at what really happened.
Or else, just continue to believe that Rose sucked and Baby Hakeem is just coming into his own.
It's up to you.
Most of this is just difference of opinion but...
It's called exaggeration.WTF did you come up with that stat? See, that's the type of Rose hate that makes you lose all credibility when talking in a topic like this.
And of course, piddly little six foot five in heels Malik Rose would have been stopping Stephon.How many times IN A ROW did Stephon Marbury go up and over him in that Knick loss? The Knicks ran the same play like 10 possessions in a row knowing that Nazr wasn't going to do anything to stop it.Yeah right!
All I ever expected of Rose was for him to hustle, to get rebounds, and to play like a hustle player (remember how Najera kicked our ass last night? Malik USED to do that, back before he signed the big deal and started opening up restaurants/trying to score 20 a night).You expected Rose to be David Robinson or Tim Duncan. He wasn't.
The Malik Rose that a lot of folks (myself included) fell in love with - the one who hustled, dove for loose balls, got rebounds, got garbage buckets, did the little things, etc. has been MIA for a good two years now.
I never expected him to be like Dave. Never expected him to be like Tim either (though he sure seemed to have it in his head that he was). I expected him to at least bring the energy night in and night out like what we saw from superscrub Eddie Najera last night, but we got that Malik Rose about once every 20 games the last two years.
The fact is from the end of 2003 on Rose was never the same as he was. Now whether it was the new contract going to his head, Drob retiring and not having his back on defense, his family moving to SA, him opening restaurants, his blossoming relationship with Spursgal, or any other host of reasons or combination thereof that caused the deterioration in his play, I don't know. But there is a clear line of demarcation in Rose's play at the Summer of 2003, and it's the reason he is no longer a Spur today.
Nice to see you ignore all mentions of Nazr in your response. But yeah, I don't envy your position of having to defend Samaki Walkammed.
Nazr only played 6 minutes tonight and had 2 points 4 rebounds.
He played no minutes in the second half because he was in the way offensively and was getting outrebouned by the likes of Jumaine Jones. For as good of an offensive rebounder Nazr is, he's that bad of a defensive rebounder.
However, his offensive rebounds are inflated because half of them are just him getting the ball blocked back into his grill.
I ignore all mentions of Nazr because it's obvious we're never gonna agree. You and I were at polar opposites when it came to Malik's um "skill level", and Nazr is the replacement and will never be good enough in the eyes of the Rose Colored Glasses crowd.
Is he good enough for you?
I already said he's not playing at the level I thought he would, but I'm willing to cut him some slack, it's not like he's been here for 7 years.
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