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Bowen got us Jefferson due to the nature of his contract..
We hear a lot about how the Spurs FO and Coaching dictator -i mean coach and staff are loyal.
Q. Why was Bowen let go and Finley retained?
I know Bowens 4 mill might be considered too much, but matador D Finley will be getting 2.5 so its only a 1.5 difference.
Bowen:
With the team for all 3 2000+ decade championships.
Does whatever the team asked of him. Played almost every game for every year he was here.
Coatails Fin was superb in 2007, otherwise all he has done is stole minutes, gone 1-4 including two lost playoff series to the team that paid him $20 million a year to go away. All the blather about Fins shooting, Bowen matched him in the reg season and outshot him in last years playoffs. Now lets talk defense. No lets not.
"Spurs are a defense first team and military Pop demands defense." Save that b.s. Was true 2005 and back. Since then its a joke.
So i know Milwaukee can buy out Bowen and we can get him back and I'd welcome Bruce back.
If we don't, and Finley stays,
What loyalty?
Bowen got us Jefferson due to the nature of his contract..
Finley had a player option. He chose to stay.
I couldn't have said it better, Great thread, We are going to regret not having Bruce. I called it before, and I call it now. We will regret it. People can be happy about our signings this offseason, but the bottom line is, we have NOONE to slow down both Kobe and Artest. Or even Lebron.
Pop sold out. It used to be that if you didn't play defense, you didn't get playing time. Now Don Nelson is our coach. nah actually, Nelson knew how to get his players to score.
Great thread. Actually the best thread topic this offseason, the most important one.
Loyalty to the fans. Loyalty to Duncan. Loyalty to putting a championship team out there. That is where the Spurs Loyalty lies.
A1. Salaries wouldn't have matched with Finley instead of Bowen.
A2. The CBA rules didn't allow the Spurs to trade Finley while the status of his player option was unknown.
Shh, don't confuse him with the facts.
"Loyalty"
Fond memories
Because Finley hadn't opted in for 2009-10, he couldn't have been traded on the date of the trade; had the Spurs waited, they might not have acquired Jefferson. And even if he had opted in, Bowen was a necessary piece for a trade that the Spurs HAD to make to have any chance to remain relevant.
This thread is pointless.
to people talking about salaries, bowen could come back, but he's not going to.
popovich burned that bridge. he's shown more love to scrubs like finley, boner, vaughn than one of the most important spurs players this decade. that's not loyalty.
It wasn't about who to keep: Bowen or Finley.
The trade was done because Bowen and Oberto's contracts were partially guaranteed and matched salary wise.
Is Bowen going to slow down Kobe and Artest and LeBron at age 45? Most Spurs fans complained that the Spurs were too old and needed some youth but then cry when the oldest player on the team was let go. I don't get it. I like Bowen and enjoyed his tenure here. Would I like him back? Sure, but I won't cry if he's not.I couldn't have said it better, Great thread, We are going to regret not having Bruce. I called it before, and I call it now. We will regret it. People can be happy about our signings this offseason, but the bottom line is, we have NOONE to slow down both Kobe and Artest. Or even Lebron.
Pop sold out. It used to be that if you didn't play defense, you didn't get playing time. Now Don Nelson is our coach. nah actually, Nelson knew how to get his players to score.
Great thread. Actually the best thread topic this offseason, the most important one.
The only pachage Milwaukee would have accepted? Perhaps. Why was it let to come to that tho? (Finley after 2007 getting the ridiculous multiyear contract w player option, Bonner and Flabs getting multiyears, Scola -oh lets not go there!)
libriA better description would be Finley was given a player option and 30+ min per game. Goes right to the heart of the loyalty question. He didn't earn either, why was he given it?Finley had a player option. He chose to stay.
It's a business. These things happen, quit taking it so personally.
Exactly. Bruce was essentially rescued from obscurity, and kept on a team that valued him for 8 seasons, and paid millions. Every player gets too old at some point. Bruce had reached that point. Any time you have a partially guaranteed contract, you need to prepare to be gone. It's the nature of the business.
They don't call it ShowFriends, they call it ShowBusiness.
You really need to study up on the nature of their respective contracts. Try again once you have.
Maybe it had to do with the fact the Bruce is going to be 39 years old at the start of next season.
The Bucks didn't want a guaranteed contract. The partially guaranteed contracts of Bowen and Fabs were appropriate because it was cheaper to cut them than to keep them. The Bucks don't want to take on salary.
Charlie Villanueva was let go even though everyone though the Jefferson trade was done to clear cap space to keep Villanueva. So that shows what financial state the Bucks are in at the moment.
I don't think any other package would have done the job.
Yup. Sometimes it's just time to hang em' up...but no doubt #12 will one day be up there in the rafters. Here's to you Bruce Bowen, thanks for everything. You deserve those three rings.
We all like loyalty. But appeals to loyalty, like patriotism, are often misused (usually by persons with little of either).
Finley is no less deserving of the Spurs' loyalty than Bowen, or Bonner or just about any other Spur who showed up every day and did their job.
Personnel decisions, on the other hand, are rarely based upon loyalty -- jusy ask Brent Barry about the night he almost got traded for someone unlikely to exhibit Brent's loyalty (but younger and quicker).
Bowen's not complaining.
Yes. People need to quit ignoring that.
I sense a general misunderstanding born of irrational prejudice.
I would rather have Bowen than Finley.
However, at the time of the trade, Finley was basically a Free Agent with the option to sign with the Spurs or renounce his contract and try to sign with another team. Finley didn't exercise the player option in his contract until after the trade for Jefferson. In fact, didn't he wait until after the Draft to sign?
I just hope that if we don't get Bruce back, that he gets quality minutes up there in Milwaukee.
I would suggest that only people with 1 or more posts than Fabbs be able to open new threads.
Just a display of the total lack of understanding of the business side of the NBA.
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