Congressman Paul: Food is a good, not a right.

[RandomGuy]

Because, hey, I can sell you food. It must not be a right...

[LnGrrrR]

Because, hey, I can sell you food. It must not be a right...

To be fair, I'm sure many people would argue it IS a good.

I believe in Nietzsche's idea that the more 'useless' people a society can support, the stronger that society will be viewed. I'm ok with programs that give food, shelter and clothing to those without.

However, many libertarian-minded individuals argue that people should not be FORCED into contributing to those things with taxes, and instead, believe money should be funneled to those in need through charities, donations, etc etc.

I'm ok with the former in most cases, but I think the latter is more morally acceptable.

[Marcus Bryant]

Obviously a single food payer arrangement is needed then.

[Marcus Bryant]

To be fair, I'm sure many people would argue it IS a good.

I believe in Nietzsche's idea that the more 'useless' people a society can support, the stronger that society will be viewed. I'm ok with programs that give food, shelter and clothing to those without.

However, many libertarian-minded individuals argue that people should not be FORCED into contributing to those things with taxes, and instead, believe money should be funneled to those in need through charities, donations, etc etc.

I'm ok with the former in most cases, but I think the latter is more morally acceptable.

Non-state run charity? Imagine that.

[Geezerballer]

Do you think I have a right to make someone provide food for me? Why isn’t that slavery?

[doobs]

Food is not a right.

And saying, "hey, I can sell you ___" is a bull argument. Everything can theoretically be bought and sold. Everything has a price. Everything.

Even those things that we consider to be rights---such as our procedural and substantive due process rights, for instance---have a price and can theoretically be bought and sold.

[LnGrrrR]

Food is not a right.

And saying, "hey, I can sell you ___" is a bull argument. Everything can theoretically be bought and sold. Everything has a price. Everything.

Even those things that we consider to be rights---such as our procedural and substantive due process rights, for instance---have a price and can theoretically be bought and sold.

Only if you're willing to sell or buy them.

[doobs]

Only if you're willing to sell or buy them.

If you're "not" willing to sell . . . that just means your price is high.

Make no mistake. Everything is for sale.

[DarrinS]

Strangely enough, obesity is a serious problem affecting the underprivileged class.

[LnGrrrR]

If you're "not" willing to sell . . . that just means your price is high.

Make no mistake. Everything is for sale.

Eh, I disagree. What of people who died instead of renouncing their religion during the Spanish Inquisition? What about those who stormed the beaches in Normandy? What about the man who stood in front of that tank at Tianemen Square?

I would argue that some people's beliefs CAN'T be bought or sold. Some people hold their beliefs too close to themselves, and would rather die than sell/give them up.

[LnGrrrR]

Strangely enough, obesity is a serious problem affecting the underprivileged class.

From what I've read, it's mostly due to the high-caloric but low-nutrient value of 'cheaper' foods. The body still craves sustenance due to low nutrients, but people don't know any better and buy high-caloric food to fill themselves up.

[DarrinS]

From what I've read, it's mostly due to the high-caloric but low-nutrient value of 'cheaper' foods. The body still craves sustenance due to low nutrients, but people don't know any better and buy high-caloric food to fill themselves up.

40 oz malt beverages don't help either.


Maybe we should put all low income people on vegan diets. The govt knows what's best for the people.


Or, maybe we should put that "will work for food" theory to the test.

[doobs]

Eh, I disagree. What of people who died instead of renouncing their religion during the Spanish Inquisition? What about those who stormed the beaches in Normandy? What about the man who stood in front of that tank at Tianemen Square?

I would argue that some people's beliefs CAN'T be bought or sold. Some people hold their beliefs too close to themselves, and would rather die than sell/give them up.

Your examples are, um, puzzling.

The man who stood in front of the tank at Tiananmen? What do you think he would have done if the CCP offered him a million dollars that morning to stay home? Five million dollars? Ten million dollars? A billion dollars?

The soldiers who stormed the beaches in Normandy? All of them had a price. They were risking life and limb for their country . . . but there was some dollar amount that would have convinced them to not fight. I don't mean that to sound disrespectful. I'm sure most of them had a price that was astronomically high.

The Jews during the Inquisition? Again, they all had a price. It's just that the Inquisitors weren't giving them a good offer. It was: (1) convert and live as second-class citizens in Spain; or (2) die for their beliefs. Had the Inquisitors sweetened the deals with land and money and such . . . you get what I'm saying. Even the most principled and religious Jews had a price---it's just that the Inquisitors weren't offering them that price.

Give me an example of something you're not willing to do for a price, or something that you're not willing to part with for a price. At some point, you will agree to accept an offer.

[ElNono]

Give me an example of something you're not willing to do for a price, or something that you're not willing to part with for a price. At some point, you will agree to accept an offer.

I'll bite... There's plenty of things I would not do for any price. Renounce my freedom, give up my family, kill myself. That's just off the top of my head. There's definitely plenty more.

[Spursmania]

[ElNono]

You got duped, we get it. No need to spam every thread with your junk.

[Spursmania]

You got duped, we get it. No need to spam every thread with your junk.

No need to be upset with a different opinion. I hardly call this spam.This thread is somewhat of a satire is it not? Thus, my pic.

[Spursmania]

sat⋅ire

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–noun 1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc. 2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule. 3. a literary genre comprising such compositions.

[ElNono]

No need to be upset with a different opinion. I hardly call this spam.This thread is somewhat of a satire is it not? Thus, my pic.

I'm not upset with your opinion. I'm annoyed that you repeatedly post Pajama TV press releases and your favorite cartoon on multiple threads. That's all.
I have no authority to stop you from doing it, I just figured I would communicate my disgust with the spamming.

[ElNono]

sat⋅ire

Show Spelled Pronunciation [sat-ahyuhr]

–noun 1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc. 2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule. 3. a literary genre comprising such compositions.

spam (spm)
- noun.
1. To send (a message) indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups.

[Spursmania]

I'm not upset with your opinion. I'm annoyed that you repeatedly post Pajama TV press releases and your favorite cartoon on multiple threads. That's all.
I have no authority to stop you from doing it, I just figured I would communicate my disgust with the spamming.

I posted the pjtv.com once on one thread. I posted this here (clearly a satirrical thread) and on one more thread. How is that "multiple" posts and "multiple threads?"

Just because you don't agree with my opinion doesn't mean you have to be a tightwad. And thankfully, you are not a moderator.

[Spursmania]

spam (spm)
- noun.
1. To send (a message) indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups.

Therefore, your definition of spam is wrong as a description for my post.

[doobs]

I'll bite... There's plenty of things I would not do for any price. Renounce my freedom, give up my family, kill myself. That's just off the top of my head. There's definitely plenty more.

1. Renounce your freedom:
This is pretty vague, but let's assume you mean going to jail for life. Let's say you look exactly like Bill Gates. What if he murdered someone, was caught on videotape, and he offered you and your family a billion dollars if you accepted responsibility for the crime? You wouldn't take that offer? That's a billion dollars. Your family would be set for life. What about ten billion dollars?

2. Give up your family:
Are you sure there's no price you'd consider? Really? No doubt the price would be extremely high, but my point is that there is a price.

3. Kill yourself:
Again, imagine someone offers you a billion dollars to kill yourself. Your family would be set for life. People do this in real life, actually, and for less money. (Life insurance proceeds.)

[ElNono]

I posted the pjtv.com once on one thread.

You know how to count?

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=193

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...22&postcount=2

[ElNono]

1. Renounce your freedom:
This is pretty vague, but let's assume you mean going to jail for life. Let's say you look exactly like Bill Gates. What if he murdered someone, was caught on videotape, and he offered you and your family a billion dollars if you accepted responsibility for the crime? You wouldn't take that offer? That's a billion dollars. Your family would be set for life. What about ten billion dollars?

2. Give up your family:
Are you sure there's no price you'd consider? Really? No doubt the price would be extremely high, but my point is that there is a price.

3. Kill yourself:
Again, imagine someone offers you a billion dollars to kill yourself. Your family would be set for life. People do this in real life, actually, and for less money. (Life insurance proceeds.)

Nope. Not even 10 quadrillion or any sum bigger than that.
I really wouldn't. You can call me a fool or whatever.