Possible targets with the Bonner+ Finley (+ Mason + Willams + X) package

[venitian navigator]

Like a lot of us said, looks like the F.O. is preparing for the last big-move.
With the package we have I see the possible targets in :

1) Stephen Jackson.

Plus Reasons : Good perimeter defender, rebounder and three point shooter
Minus reasons : His contract - and maybe still loose too many balls and wants the ball too much


2) Cory Maggette.
Plus reasons : a real slasher - the only one that could be a real alter ego of Manu in case we need to create from nowhere
Minus reasons : His contract and, till now, his at ude (but looks like he's in good feeling with our plaers...so who knows ?)


3) Andreas Nocioni
Plus reasons : Good rebounder and perimeter shooter - The skills of Matt Bonner plus real Cojones - His nationality (good temper and Manu would like to have another argentine on team, now that fabri is gone), his contract (decreasing Money every year)
Minus reasons : with Haislip already on team, maybe we need more a two-three than a three - four


4) Mike Miller
Plus reasons : the best shooter and rebounder of the lot - Expiring contract after this year
Minus reasons : defense - Play off performance


5) Raja Bell
Plus : maybe the best perimeter defender of the lot - Three point shooting -
Nationality (same of Tim)
Minus : age - decreasing performances (also on defense) -

any opinions ?

[bigdog]

Like a lot of us said, looks like the F.O. is preparing for the last big-move.
With the package we have I see the possible targets in :

1) Stephen Jackson.

Plus Reasons : Good perimeter defender, rebounder and three point shooter
Minus reasons : His contract - and maybe still loose too many balls and wants the ball too much


2) Cory Maggette.
Plus reasons : a real slasher - the only one that could be a real alter ego of Manu in case we need to create from nowhere
Minus reasons : His contract and, till now, his at ude (but looks like he's in good feeling with our plaers...so who knows ?)


3) Andreas Nocioni
Plus reasons : Good rebounder and perimeter shooter - The skills of Matt Bonner plus real Cojones - His nationality (good temper and Manu would like to have another argentine on team, now that fabri is gone), his contract (decreasing Money every year)
Minus reasons : with Haislip already on team, maybe we need more a two-three than a three - four


4) Mike Miller
Plus reasons : the best shooter and rebounder of the lot - Expiring contract after this year
Minus reasons : defense - Play off performance


5) Raja Bell
Plus : maybe the best perimeter defender of the lot - Three point shooting -
Nationality (same of Tim)
Minus : age - decreasing performances (also on defense) -

any opinions ?

Jackson- I would absolutely love him back, but his contract isn't Spur-friendly right now.

Maggette, why would we need him when we have Jefferson?

Nocioni- We all know most of us would love him here. This could be a possibility, but probably not.

Mike Miller- Why would the Wizards want to ship him off for a package of Bonner, Finley, and Williams? Sure, his deal is expiring, but if I were their GM, I'd rather have Miller on the team with an expiring contract than the 3 Spurs mentioned. Washington would be stupid to do that trade.

Bell- Raja Bell seems the only realistic option on your list.

[jesterbobman]

I think another option is to look into trades with teams that have large trade exceptions, and we have a player who can fill a need, and then look at teams that want to cut payroll. E.g., the Clippers have a ~7.5 million dollar TE. Mason To the Clips, who have a hole at back up SG

Gives them:
Baron Telfair
Gordon Mason
Thornton
Griffin/Camby/Smith
Camby/Kaman/Jordan

Still need a backup SF, but 1 hole is filled.

Then look at teams with guys we'd like(who are looking to cut money) and we could get a ~8 million dollar guy for Bonner, saving them $5m(or $10m) If they're over the tax.
That guy is definitely gonna be a 2/3 or pure 3 guy, such as Battier, Bell, Jackson etc. Or look at teams that are looking for more capspace for 2010, such as Chicago

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

We'd need to include a pick to make it work, but Salmons would make our top 8 better, Chicago gets even more space for 2010(Could get even more if they swapped Hinrich for Blake & Outlaw(if Portland would do that)).

Also looking at teams who are looking to open up space for guys to play, Golden State trading SJax to open up space for A Randolph, Houston trading Battier to get PT for Ariza(Though they don't have to). Most other guys have been discussed, but looking for Big TE and teams that need to cut money is a good option.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Like a lot of us said, looks like the F.O. is preparing for the last big-move.
With the package we have I see the possible targets in :

1) Stephen Jackson.

Plus Reasons : Good perimeter defender, rebounder and three point shooter
Minus reasons : His contract - and maybe still loose too many balls and wants the ball too much


2) Cory Maggette.
Plus reasons : a real slasher - the only one that could be a real alter ego of Manu in case we need to create from nowhere
Minus reasons : His contract and, till now, his at ude (but looks like he's in good feeling with our plaers...so who knows ?)


3) Andreas Nocioni
Plus reasons : Good rebounder and perimeter shooter - The skills of Matt Bonner plus real Cojones - His nationality (good temper and Manu would like to have another argentine on team, now that fabri is gone), his contract (decreasing Money every year)
Minus reasons : with Haislip already on team, maybe we need more a two-three than a three - four


4) Mike Miller
Plus reasons : the best shooter and rebounder of the lot - Expiring contract after this year
Minus reasons : defense - Play off performance


5) Raja Bell
Plus : maybe the best perimeter defender of the lot - Three point shooting -
Nationality (same of Tim)
Minus : age - decreasing performances (also on defense) -

any opinions ?

Personally, I don't think that this move portends another big move. You can't just change your entire team and think that you will just gel because you have more talent. Especially in the Spurs complicated defensive schemes. We already have more than enough newbies to acclimate to the system. Also, if you trade Finley and Mason you leave the wing position very thin. Still, if you could pick up SJax who knows the system already and can play the 3 as well as the 2 that would give you a rotation of RJ, Manu and SJax at the wings with Hairston, Hill and then probably McClinton filling in some minutes--that would be scary good.

[mingus]

i keep hearing Raja Bell's defense took a backwards step. i don't know whether that's true or not, but i'm fairly certain that even regressed Bell-defense is way better than Mason's. if there's a way to get Bell by giving up Finley (or Mason Jr.) and Bonner, than the Spurs should do it. i would hate going to war with the Lakers without having a defensive-minded player to guard Kobe. i think a player like that is the only missing piece of the puzzle for this team. but, who knows? maybe Malik Hairston can be that guy. aren't the Spurs trying to mold him into a defensive player? guess we'll have to see...

[Sdayi135]

Like a lot of us said, looks like the F.O. is preparing for the last big-move.
With the package we have I see the possible targets in :

1) Stephen Jackson.

Plus Reasons : Good perimeter defender, rebounder and three point shooter
Minus reasons : His contract - and maybe still loose too many balls and wants the ball too much


2) Cory Maggette.
Plus reasons : a real slasher - the only one that could be a real alter ego of Manu in case we need to create from nowhere
Minus reasons : His contract and, till now, his at ude (but looks like he's in good feeling with our plaers...so who knows ?)


3) Andreas Nocioni
Plus reasons : Good rebounder and perimeter shooter - The skills of Matt Bonner plus real Cojones - His nationality (good temper and Manu would like to have another argentine on team, now that fabri is gone), his contract (decreasing Money every year)
Minus reasons : with Haislip already on team, maybe we need more a two-three than a three - four


4) Mike Miller
Plus reasons : the best shooter and rebounder of the lot - Expiring contract after this year
Minus reasons : defense - Play off performance


5) Raja Bell
Plus : maybe the best perimeter defender of the lot - Three point shooting -
Nationality (same of Tim)
Minus : age - decreasing performances (also on defense) -

any opinions ?

Jax - ship sailed in 2003. Pass

Maggette - we just traded for a player 1000X better than he can ever dream of being

Noc - I'd do it in a heartbeat

Miller - I'd rather keep Finley/Mason over him

Bell - A possibility but I'd rather trade a Finley/Bonner combo vs. a Mason/Bonner combo for him.

I don't get the obsession of trading Mason from some of the posters here.

[Bruno]

I don't see why Charlotte would trade Bell.

[TDMVPDPOY]

I don't see why Charlotte would trade Bell.

so michael finley can be with his idol...jordan

[Danny.Zhu]

I still like the trade for Battier which has been mentioned too many times.

[mountainballer]

I don't get the obsession of trading Mason from some of the posters here.

well I wouldn't call it obsession, when it's in fact thinking about realistic scenario's. at this point a package of Finley and Bonner is less attractive for most teams, than a package of Mason and Bonner. end of story. in Mason a team gets a SG in his prime, who could fill the role of a shooting specialist for several years to come.

[Muser]

Keep Mason...

[Rogue]

Nocioni and Bell neither is superior to Fin so it makes no sense to offer Fin for them, and Spurs haven't got any more garbage contract to fill in this deal. Corey and Miller are both too expensive to match even though they can be upgrades for Spurs. Captain Jack is the only acquirable player on the list and can be had for the package of Fin, Mason and some fillers if needed.

[DMX7]

well I wouldn't call it obsession, when it's in fact thinking about realistic scenario's. at this point a package of Finley and Bonner is less attractive for most teams, than a package of Mason and Bonner. end of story. in Mason a team gets a SG in his prime, who could fill the role of a shooting specialist for several years to come.

I would put money on none of them being traded. This is wild accusation.

[Seventyniner]

The FO better be very careful with trading Mason. They must get a SG back if that's the case, and it better be a great deal. Mason should really light things up this year since he'll be the 4th option when he's on the floor, and he's a deadly shooter.

But with the Ratliff signing, all the roster spots are full, with 7 big men. The Spurs are probably one wing or PG short of a full roster, so I see why something might be in the works.

[coyotes_geek]

I don't see any trades for the time being. After the season starts and the Spurs have a better feel for who is fitting in where, and for who's not fitting in, then the Spurs will probably look to move someone out in a salary dump move to save some lux tax dollars. But as far as pulling off another trade to land some big name player, it's highly doubtful at this point.

[coyotes_geek]

so michael finley can be with his idol...jordan

What makes you think Finley's idol is in some kind of a hurry to add Finley to his team?

[spursbird]

Here's my list for possible targets:
C.J. Miles, Matt Harpring, Nick Young, James Singleton, Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Andreas Nocioni, Raja Bell, Jarvis Hayes, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, Charlie Bell.

[mountainballer]

Nocioni and Bell neither is superior to Fin so it makes no sense to offer Fin for them

huh? you did realize that Finley declined from his Dallas days? at this point either Bell and Nocioni are far superior to him.

[MaNu4Tres]

The FO better be very careful with trading Mason. They must get a SG back if that's the case, and it better be a great deal. Mason should really light things up this year since he'll be the 4th option when he's on the floor, and he's a deadly shooter.

But with the Ratliff signing, all the roster spots are full, with 7 big men. The Spurs are probably one wing or PG short of a full roster, so I see why something might be in the works.

Many seem tied up in the Finley/ Bonner trade scenario and try to justify their trade value worthy enough to bring in a ( Stephen Jackson, Raja Bell, Andres Nocioni, James Posey ect.)


I personally think in order for us to improve our 8-9 man rotation (or our team come playoff time) we will more than likely have to include Mason instead of Finley, due to the age and value factor in the two trading assets.

Many people seem to believe we would lose a lot by getting rid of Mason. I disagree and believe including Mason for Finley is the only way to improve our rotation ( 1-9).

Here's some reasoning :

- With the addition of a healthy Manu Ginobili and prolific scorer in his own right Richard Jefferson, Mason's opportunities will be cut drastically.

Yes many fans have pointed out Mason's shooting will be missed. With Finley back it won't be missed as much as you may think. Yes Mason had a great one dribble pull up on his pick and roll opportunities early in the season, when the defense was lazy or went under the screen nonchalantly. Hate to burst your Mason bubble, but those screen and roll opportunities won't be there next year.

- Mason will be used to spot up from three when Tim/ Parker/ Manu/ RJ are creating. Finley or trading for Bell, Nocioni,Posey can do that people. Mason won't be seeing anywhere close to the 30.4 mpg he got last year with RJ and Manu taking up 60 minutes that were available last year.

Not to mention Pop stating earlier in the off-season that Hill will get more time at the 2-spot. And don't forget Michael Finley either. Finley will get some run.

All this leads me to thinking, will Mason's shooting really be missed if his minutes were to be cut by 40 % ?? Something to think about.


I don't believe giving up Mason would be as detrimental to the Spurs as some may think, not only because of the PT and opportunity factor, but also by his liability on the defensive end ( one of the worst, if not the worst perimeter defender on the team last year.) This was one of the reason's Pop chose to go with Bowen and Hill against the Mavs since Mason's shot wasn't falling and he couldn't do anything else to help the team.


All in all, Spurs might think the best time to get anything significant for Bonner/ Mason is now. Given the fact that their opportunities will be decreased, and therefore their trade value may fall. Or they simply might not have plans to resign them after this season. Since the Spurs will more than likely be giving Manu an extension next year, would we be able to pony up 6 million per year for Mason too next year? I doubt it.

And since we gave Haislip a 2 year deal and with Splitter maybe on his way in 2010, would Spurs be willing to give out another 10 million contract to Bonner? I doubt it.


Just something to think about..

[JustinJDW]

Man, I really hope we don't trade Roger Mason. He was a great Shooting Guard and he was amazing in the clutch. I really don't want to see him go. Trading him, Finley and Bonner for some swingman will change our Team too much and ruin too much of our chemistry.

I don't mind Bonner and Finley getting traded, just not Mason. We can trade Bonner and Finley for a good defensive minded Swingman off the Bench to help out Ginobili. Battier is perfect.

If we do end up trading Mason, we damn well better get a good SG in return. Someone who can knock down 3-pointers from everywhere and come through in the clutch, just like Mason. I would be incredibly pissed if we traded Mason for some old ass vet way passed his prime.

[MaNu4Tres]

Man, I really hope we don't trade Roger Mason. He was a great Shooting Guard and he was amazing in the clutch. I really don't want to see him go. Trading him, Finley and Bonner for some swingman will change our Team too much and ruin too much of our chemistry.

I don't mind Bonner and Finley getting traded, just not Mason. We can trade Bonner and Finley for a good defensive minded Swingman off the Bench to help out Ginobili.

Mason is expendable. His minutes and shots will be cut drastically next year with Manu and R.J taking up 60-65 minutes that were Mason and Finley's last year. Not to mention Mason's contract is up next year and Spurs have the dilemma of resigning Manu.

Mason is also a one trick pony and can't defend worth a lick.

All that being said trading Mason/ Bonner will give us a better piece back in return than Bonner/ Finley.

Mason/ Bonner and a 1st should catch the attention towards the Hornets for James Posey/ Bobcats for Raja Bell/ Kings for Nocioni. I think those three would be the best fits for us in needed a defensive wing that can hit the 3 ball. We don't need a volume shooter like Stephen Jackson for instance or even Mason at times.

[MaNu4Tres]

Other thoughts:

Considering how the Kings traded John Salmons and Brad Miller to Chicago for Nocioni's contract( instead of trading Salmons to the Spurs for expirings) makes me believe Kings are high on Nocioni and don't really mind his contract. That being said I think it would take more to get Nocioni from the Kings than the typical Finley/ Bonner scenario. Maybe Bonner/ Mason + 1st rounder would get him.

As for Raja Bell considering hes 34 years old and has an expiring contract ( and more than likely won't resign him after the year is over), the Bobcats might take back less than the Kings would. IE Bonner/ Finley 1st rounder or maybe just simply Bonner/ Mason no picks. They also have Larry Brown as a big part of their franchise so that also helps.

[MaNu4Tres]

Jax - ship sailed in 2003. Pass



I don't get the obsession of trading Mason from some of the posters here.

It's not an obsession. It's more of thinking somewhat rationally. We won't get anything significant back for Finley/ Bonner combo. The only thing we probably can get back is a contract in a 6-7 million dollar range for a fringe rotation player at best. Like a Jason Kapono.

If we want anything significant back, our best shot to attain a Raja Bell/ James Posey/ Nocioni would be to include Mason.

[hater]

Nocioni and Bell neither is superior to Fin

what???

[TDMVPDPOY]

warriros are triimming payroll and heading into the season with 14 players only and not addin anyone

i think we should try and trade finley + bonner + fillers for jax + backup pg....