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Obama's not proposing a UK system so why is this an issue? Oh wait it's one o those "I'm trying to scare people' dealys.. never mind
The babies born in hospital corridors: Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets
Thousands of women are having to give birth outside maternity wards because of a lack of midwives and hospital beds.
The lives of mothers and babies are being put at risk as births in locations ranging from lifts to toilets - even a caravan - went up 15 per cent last year to almost 4,000.
Health chiefs admit a lack of maternity beds is partly to blame for the crisis, with hundreds of women in labour being turned away from hospitals because they are full.
Latest figures show that over the past two years there were at least:
63 births in ambulances and 608 in transit to hospitals;
117 births in A&E departments, four in minor injury units and two in medical assessment areas;
115 births on other hospital wards and 36 in other unspecified areas including corridors;
399 in parts of maternity units other than labour beds, including postnatal and antenatal wards and reception areas.
Additionally, overstretched maternity units shut their doors to any more women in labour on 553 occasions last year.
Babies were born in offices, lifts, toilets and a caravan, according to the Freedom of Information data for 2007 and 2008 from 117 out of 147 trusts which provide maternity services.
One woman gave birth in a lift while being transferred to a labour ward from A&E while another gave birth in a corridor, said East Cheshire NHS Trust.
Others said women had to give birth on the wards - rather than in their own maternity room - because the delivery suites were full.
Tory health spokesman Andrew Lansley, who obtained the figures, said Labour had cut maternity beds by 2,340, or 22 per cent, since 1997. At the same time birth rates have been rising sharply - up 20 per cent in some areas.
Mr Lansley said: 'New mothers should not be being put through the trauma of having to give birth in such inappropriate places
Obama's not proposing a UK system so why is this an issue? Oh wait it's one o those "I'm trying to scare people' dealys.. never mind
Because a government run ration conscience system is what we will end up with.
In your opinion.
They are just making stuff up as usual. Par for the course..
And yet our birth mortality rate is higher....
24,000+ are born outside of hospitals in the US each year.
There's lots of grounds for honest debate in the ongoing healthcare reform movement. Clouding the discussion with non-sequiturs is not helping.
Well, I'm pretty certain our mortality rate is higher because of the way pregnant women treat themselves. Smoking, drinking, drugs, etc. while pregnant. Those are the easy ones! Diet and exercise are factors too. Then we have too many underweight babies born also. They should be more than 8 pounds.
This is why its relevant.
But you already knew that.
I'm guessing you were never in the Old Jefferson Davis hospital in Houston.
That could very well be the case and certainly isn't unique to America, however. Regular healthcare also plays a role in this.
I'm not stating that infant mortality rates are the yardstick of effective healthcare. Indeed, the WHO report that is most often trotted out as the source of infant mortality rates world wide, is ridiculously compromised in it's methodology. That being said, the OP's latent intent to indict UK's healthcare system, not that it bears any resemblance whatsoever to what is proposed thus far in America, was a very intellectually dishonest move.
Last edited by TeyshaBlue; 08-26-2009 at 02:20 PM.
Prove it.
Read HR 3200 and connect the dots. It's there. None of it is worded to say that, but the only logical conclusion will lead to it.
You didn't prove it.
I've already connected the dots in other threads. Besides, I can never prove it to an insolent chump. Be happy I have you that much for your quest.
Link it.
All of my children were born at my house, in my bed; delivered by midwives. However, that doesn't change the fact that a "shortage of midwives" never is an issue in this country; if we ever ended up in a position where even a reasonable percentage of babies were born w/o an OB present, people would freak.Thousands of women are having to give birth outside maternity wards because of a lack of midwives and hospital beds.
Glaringly obvious point: Midwives are cheaper than Doctors; people don't choose them to deliver their babies; apparently in Britain, they don't have that choice, and even at that, the number of midwives is MORE limited than the number of actual OB's here.
I'm too lazy to do your homework. I don't remember which thread or two, and I'm not doing your homework.
Small degree of recall has it that only government approved plans can be entered into at year +3. Existing plans are grandfathered, but cannot take in new people. Once you leave a plan (employer) you can only enter government approved plans. Existing plans will wither away as employers will no longer be able to insure new people under them. Government approved plans virtually mandate full coverage of everything. They will be so expensive, employers and common individuals will not be able to pay for them. Nearly all health insurance will turn to the government option. Only the filthy rich will be able to buy the government approved plans.
This is done by connecting three or four parts of HB3200. Don't know the sections right now, but it is there.
Prove it.Government approved plans virtually mandate full coverage of everything. They will be so expensive, employers and common individuals will not be able to pay for them.
Anecdotes don't count.
There must have been some real independent study done for this.
In other news people die in Africa
Nothing is ever good enough for you. I'm done with your stupidity. It doesn't matter why I say, you'll just continue to play the childish "why game."
Your made up bull is not good enough for me.Alas, I know we're not done with yours.I'm done with your stupidity.No, it's the "prove that what you post isn't made up bull game."It doesn't matter why I say, you'll just continue to play the childish "why game."
And you lost.
Again.
No doubt in my mind this would happen in America. Unless there 50,000,000 more hospital beds hidden somewhere I don't know about.
You're saying there would be 50 million more people in hospitals at the same time if this bill is passed.
You never know. When people get something for free they come a running. I guess we will have to wait and see.
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