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memphis got Marc Gasol in the Pau trade who has proved to be a very good big man for them.
Listening to the latest BS REPORT podcast with Bill Simmons and Chad Ford, they were talking about how many GMs still think that Gasol trade was not legitmate.
Face it, that trade, if you can even call it that, shifted the balance of powers in the NBA for the last two seasons and will continue to in the near future.
The Grizzlies GM, said the trade was purely financial, which was hard to believe but most of us took his word for it, but then they trade for Zach Randolph, who is a worst player and has a worst contract.
The GM of the Grizz then said they got Randolph to be their 20-10 guy...but how isn't Gasol a better 20-10 player, leader and teammate?!
It makes no sense. There is definitley a conspiracy about. Money perhaps trading parties under the table.
Remember that trade happened the same season the NBA played up the Boston-Lakers rivalry to full effin' effect.
memphis got Marc Gasol in the Pau trade who has proved to be a very good big man for them.
The Lakers did lost some talents in that trade anyways, some of them like Marc Gasol have already lived up to their values and the latent ones are also expected to bloom off in the near future. I think that is pretty enough to even the trade, and has already made the Gasol trade a whole different story than the trade of Jefferson where the Spurs didn't lose , the Spurs only lost some for Jefferson at its finest.
Gasol was the 48th pick in the draft, quit talking like you gave up something for Pau.
We lost our 2nd best big man-Thomas, and our best defensive player Bruce Bowen, those two guys actually contributed to the Spurs and could still play. We actually gave up someone and took a gamble.
Put it this way, Thomas should've been the starting Center and Bowen should've been the starting SF.
Additionally Crittenton is also a decent young guy that is expected to have a very bright future, and the first round pick is also pretty valuable as well.
no way Bowen would have been the starting SF
Findawg was the starting SF for Spurs last season while the starting C was Matt Bonner. BTW Bruce Bowen's retired, and Kurt Thomas is around the same age Bowen and also expected to retire before long, Oberto hasn't announced his retirement yet no one still believes he will ever come back for professional basketball games. Verbally the Spurs just got Jefferson for the only prize of 3 retired or nearly retired players, Thomas is probably valuable for le-chasing teams but not a team on rebuilding mode like the Bucks.
That's why I said Should've, he started all but 1 game in the 07-08 season (Suspended). That's why we were getting burned all the damn time while people were calling for Bowen to get more playing time. He's the one who shut down the PG's for us. Our lack of offensive firepower and Pop being stubborn is what caused his minutes to go down so much. So he should've been our starting SF had Manu been healthy IMO.
I agree to agree, the trade for Marion was a whole different story than these 3.
The only reason Bruce retired is because he didn't want to play for another team, he's actually loyal unlike some other players who demand trades.
We gave up 2 out of 4 of our big men and our best perimeter defender to a team needed extra money to resign players.
People forget our Roster looked like this after the trade:
Duncan
Bonner
Mason
Parker
Manu
RJ
Finley
Hill
Mason
That trade left us with 1 legit big man-Duncan.
It was by absolute luck that Blair fell to us, and it wasn't guaranteed that the Spurs were going to be able to sign Dyess. We took a big gamble trading for RJ.
You can't really defend the Gasol trade, simple as that.
Drifting along your logic, it would be quite easy to justify the Gasol trade when considering what an efficient player Mickie was in his prime, and Findawg was actually the best SG around the league during the first 3 years of post-Jordan era, that said the stale package of Oberto, KT and Bowen would have been reversed into a decent one if Findawg had been injected in. If Bowen is still such a nice defender as the prime version, or even nearly half as good as he was in his prime, then I do think he should play more seasons before retiring or at least fulfill the final year of his contract. But what happened was, he demanded a buy-out and retired soon after getting waived.
Kurt Thomas should have been an integral gear in Spurs rotation last season, but Pop didn't reward him so much time as what he deserved, thus it was not a bad move for both Thomas and his team to say bye to each other. Thomas will probably get traded again after the training camp to some contenders whose paints are relatively lacking in defense and toughness, in exchange for some craps and picks. Oberto and Bowen used to be pivotal roles for Spurs in their champion years in 05 and 07, but they both have slumped drastically these years and are no longer compe ive enough for the NBA games already.
It's very true that Tim Duncan is the only legit big man on Spurs, but the truth is, many other teams haven't even got one of such legit big men. Except these legit big men like Duncan, Dirk, KG... the rest are left behind by a big margin from the elites while are not widely divided from each other. And such kind of average big players are easy to get from the free market, if the GM is careful enough in observation then it shouldn't be impossible to sign some very decent guys at incredible low prizes like MLE, like Chris Anderson.
LA got over on Memphis. Its what pimp franchises do. Deal with it or don't.
Yes. Let's move on from the raping of the girzzlies..
Spurs fans have no ground to stand on here when they got Jefferson for a couple cigarette butts. Or maybe you guys could blatantly tank your season for the 1st pick in the draft again.
Memphis came out a much bigger winner than Milwaukee did in comparison. Which makes this hypocritical thread even more hilarious.
yeah cause Zach Randolph will help them more than Pao would have
Geez. How many times does this sensitive topic have to come out again?
Don't be stupid. it was a money trade for Milwaukee. Only Thomas' deal was guaranteed while Bowen and Oberto were bought out at half their contract value. Totaled, their contracts were on papaer worth around 7 mill but their buyouts were around half of that so the Bucks saved a load of cash. The griz traded for zac randolph..
Yes, because tanking a season for a 21.4% chance for the first pick is great franchise business.
Face it, the majority in the NBA think it was a bull trade, and that line of thinking is well beyond justified. Marc Gasol was not a known commodity at the time so that argument can be thrown out on its ass.
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Appreciate that. Spurs fans would be the best reference for that anyway, especially with how Kobe has bent them over chairs as well.
lakers? isnt that the team that was left in tears in 2003? i tend to forget.
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